Pat - I’m not sure if you’re intentionally fucking around here but I didn’t link to that article. The article I linked to is titled: Iran and Russia Seek to Influence Election in Final Days, U.S. Officials Warn
It contains information showing that Iran may be pulling some strings for Biden while Russia may be doing the same for Trump.
If for some reason your browser took you to the article you linked, try again. If not, stop posting bullshit.
Agree that these are potential consequences for the republicans. Not sure on probabilities though. This is one thing that disturbs me when observing the crazed polarization of politics today. Hard to put into words but effectively what H factor has said about “moderate” being a dirty word has the consequence of making blatant power grabs by both sides much more attractive in an attempt to solidify votes and power base.
Yes. Romney has been keenly aware of this, as a recent article about him shows. Can’t remember the article but I read it in the past day or two. It covered his presidential vote (he told the reporter he did not vote for Trump, but refused to say who he did vote for) and history of criticism of the POTUS. In it Romney stated that the Republican party is in trouble with younger people, and that these people are voting in this election. He says he hass seen damage across the board to the Republican brand, and that the party has a lot of work to do if it wants to recover.
Obviously it’s not clear what that looks like exactly, but his comment shows that he is aware and worried about the direction the party is going.
In the case of making the mentioned territory states, I can support that, and don’t see it as a blatant power grab. It is my opinion that these should have been states long ago. It would even out the apparent to me advantage the GoP has in the senate and electoral college. Now I am sure that there would be kicking and screaming about this from the right. I think in the end the GoP moves towards center to get back in the game if that happens. I think that is a good thing.
In the case of drawing voting districts, I don’t think either party should do it. At this point I think it should be computer generated using an unbiased algorithm.
I agree with Romney. If the GoP can move towards the center (and figure out how to avoid guys like Trump), they may get my vote back. Perhaps the DEMs getting a bit of power for a term or two is what saves the GoP. I don’t see them as a sustainable party as is going into the future.
So once moderate, centrist Joe has served his purpose by garnering the moderate Democrat vote, which I think is a larger part of the population than the crazy leftists, what’s to stop Crazy Nancy from going all 25th amendment on Joe, cause he’s lost his marbles, and next thing you know you’ve got far left Kamala running the show.
My guess is, they saw how bad they fucked up with Hillary. They were sure she would win. Now if they get the white house back they’re going to do whatever they have to to ensure something like Trump never happens again. Packing the court, getting rid of the electoral college, who knows. But if they’re in power you can bet it’ll happen.
The desire to keep winning elections.
You already said you think the moderate DEM vote is larger than the far left side. You don’t think they know this? The main stream DEMs (Nancy and Schumer) put a lot of effort into containing AOC, Omar and Sanders types.
You can think all types of things about Nancy, but she isn’t dumb to the point that she would trade the party for a couple far left ideas (even if she agreed with them).
The DEMs mess up a lot, but they aren’t going to use all of their political capital right away. They are going to build trust with center policies. Just my opinion.
Same as I said above. They understand the concept of political capital, and that pushing ideas from the far left costs political capital. They want to keep power more than push a couple ideas IMO.
One could argue that’s what Trump did. Everyone keeps saying he’s not a conservative. Maybe he really is a man of the people who shares the common man’s (and woman’s) values.
The fact is we don’t know what kind of President Trump could be without having to be on the defensive all the time.
Why are so many African Americans on board with Trump?
Why are there gay men and women saying Trump is the best president for LGBTQ?
Why are so many average blue collar people across the country Trump supporters? Am I to believe that many people are just dumb rubes?
Maybe, just MAYBE, Trump is the right man for the job at this point in history. If nothing else, far more people are interested in politics, there’s far more information being put out so people can inform themselves. You can’t deny he’s shaken the very foundations of government and made a lot of people interested in what’s happening in our government, and that can only be a good thing.
Fairly successfully too (at least on many things). On a few contentious items (LGBT rights and abortion) he has moved right.
I don’t think a situation where Trump isn’t on the defensive all the time is possible. It isn’t because of MSM, it is because of the crazy stuff he says and does. Do crazy stuff at that level and you will be on the defensive a lot.
“so many” is relative. It is far less than half of them though. Appears according to Pew it is about 8% which is higher than I expected TBH.
I don’t know. I don’t think as a percent very many have.
I do agree here.
Absolutely they do. Which it’s why I think they ran Joe instead of a far left candidate. Like Kamala.
But if they’ve learned a lesson these past 4 years, it’s to rig the system so they don’t have to worry about another Trump. If they get to that point, who cares about the moderate Democrat vote. They can manipulate every election that follows to keep winning.
I know I’m probably reaching here for the sake of discussion, but I don’t put anything past these people. Especially since the Russia nonsense.
IMO, they would love to keep going against guys like Trump in the future. IMO, Biden would have won in 2016. The mistake they made was running Hillary which was not appealing to anybody (at least that I know).
I think both sides will gerrymander and do what they can to win if they can. It is how it has been for a long time. People think it is crazy now, there are sessions of congress on the record in which members pulled pistols on the other side.
@loppar
My statement was that ‘progressives’ want to take us this direction. So here are some facts to counter your conjecture. And they are easily researched on those lonely nights when your boss sends you into some hell hole that you are rightly scared to mix with the locals😯
Well you don’t live here, maybe one of my fellow citizens will be awakened.
Medicare for all, Free college for all, Government job for any requesting, subsidized housing credits est costs $45TT over 10 years
Green new deal which covers above and adds renewables conversion add $10TTm
Democrats will enact universal background checks, end online sales of guns and ammunition, close dangerous loopholes that currently allow stalkers and some individuals convicted of assault or battery to buy and possess firearms, and adequately fund the federal background check system. We will close the “Charleston loophole” and prevent individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms. Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines. We will incentivize states to enact licensing requirements for owning firearms and “red flag” laws that allow courts to temporarily remove guns from the possession of those who are a danger to themselves or others. We will pass legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes. And Democrats believe that gun companies should be held responsible for their products, just like any other business, and will prioritize repealing the law that shields gun manufacturers from civil liability.
Check out VA, CA, NJ laws or Biden/Harris/O’Rourke proposals to further these
Dems have stricken God from their platform and oaths, pushed abortion, homosexual preference,
Cancel culture, political correctness, forcing funding and legislating punishment for hate speech violations when opponents speak out or refuse to go against their own moral teachings. Churches closed for covid and threatened with onerous fines while encouraging secular gatherings, protests, and rioting.
Next steps - actual open borders, court packing, eliminating police forces everywhere, sanctuary nation, unicorns with rainbow farts
They’re actually against this because unicorn farts cause climate change.
Scientific fact that the colors render the CO2 into oxygen and a non polluting fuel
I think how you look at things is how most people did up until Trump. Oh, both sides want power, yea they put put slander ads and blah blah blah, but it’s just politics, no big deal.
I think the blinders are coming off now and people are seeing the lengths they are willing to go to. And they don’t like it.
I’ve lived for a short time in Lynchburg, VA and people were panic buying (additional) guns because John Kerry (through FEMA?) was supposed to take them away if he became President.
Careful, with the listed legislation you would mimic the anti-gun hell that is Switzerland.
I will never vote for the GoP again if it jettisons the social platform. I can do without the climate denial, refusal to look at a better option for healthcare. And even though I’m anti BLM I do see a role for government intervention in dealing with racial achievement gaps. That’s my definition of centrist at least. To heck with the “preserve the unadulterated free market worship while dumping the trad-conservative” voices. You can even regulate my 2A more.
Concealed carry with permit in US - 20,000,000
Non suicide, non self defense killings in 15 years - 800
Non permitted and haven’t killed anyone - who knows?
Yup. It’s why I look at his tactics both from a political and “business” perspective.
wrong post. delete pls.
@H_factor lol you will like this comment
4thebibletellsmeso
13h ago
Americans LOVE President Trump. Even the failing New York Times acknowledges that Republicans have an ENORMOUS lead in voter registration in swing states. By their own admission, if only one quarter of registered Republican voters cast a ballot, it will be a RED LANDSLIDE. That’s because, on average, only 1 out of 11 Democrats who are registered will actually vote. Indeed, the early voting has been entirely in President Trump’s favor. He is already tens of MILLIONS of votes ahead. Ask yourself: Do you know ANYONE who is voting for Biden? Of course not. My elderly neighbor is worried about not being able to wait all day in a mile-long line to vote, but I tell her to take a deep breath, relax, then go to church and pray. One vote will not matter when so many more people support the President than support his very weak opponent. Man proposes, God disposes.
Well he’s got faith you gotta give him that. The problem is virtually no metrics are backing it up. Most models are showing Biden win some are showing Biden landslide. I’m not sure of a single one that shows a Trump landslide.
It’s important to note that in 2016 HRC’s big leads were largely in national polls. And even those really tightened down the stretch. She still won the popular vote by 3 million which tracked with the national polling. But she underperformed in many state polls. The important thing to remember is a 4 point lead with a 4% MOE is a swing of up to plus 4 or down 4. And in some of the states she lost she was pretty damn close. But with winner take all close doesn’t mean anything.
Most polls have done some things to try and fix errors since 2016. Reputable polling largely nailed what happened in 2018 and they nailed a lot in 12 and 08. I think a lot of people want to dismiss all that because they didn’t hit 2016 right and I fully get that. But it doesn’t tell the whole story. A model like 538 which gave iirc Trump a 30% chance wasn’t really wrong. That 30% just came in.
Right now the models are showing bad for Trump again. I think personally a lot is different this time around. Hilary was a despised candidate coming in and Trump was an unknown. His favorability ratings weren’t ever super high but they were higher than now. And he was much closer to her. You also had a bunch of undecideds that I don’t think you’re going to have this time around. Biden is simply much more liked than she was. And we could argue Trump even less than he was (depending on what you look at). One difference is how “stable” this race has been over time. Where Trump and HRC fluctuated more we just aren’t seeing that as much this time. Of course we have the typical problems with polls because people can lie, change their mind, or flat out not vote. 500 people saying they will vote for Biden or Trump doesn’t amount to a hill of shit unless they do it.
I don’t think this means Trump is necessarily doomed. If it was popular vote only I think I would feel comfortable saying he will lose. But it isn’t. And he’s down in a lot of states he needs but again if we’re talking where 10-40K votes separates people that isn’t insane to see him running some of those again and finding 270. The Trump campaign I believe has been an abysmal failure down the stretch. It seems like Trump continues to play to his base who he doesn’t need to play to. He needs to convince people who aren’t already convinced. Personally I don’t see that happening well.
What has seemed to be good is voter registration and the ground game. The voter registration can be a bit tricky to count on. You could be “gaining” registrations from some people who voted that way last time. You didn’t gain a voter you just gained someone who decided to call themselves a Republican. From all we can tell it seems as if the Biden campaign largely went virtual and the Trump campaign knocked on doors. We know from previous research that the door knocking grassroots stuff is effective.
The great unknown in all of this is COVID-19. How many ballots get tossed out? Again popular vote probably not enough to swing anything. 20K Biden ones in Florida? Now you’re talking about an impact. We are seeing unprecedented early turnout which was and is expected. But this isn’t really an advantage. If all of Biden’s votes come in early and Trumps late it doesn’t matter. But early votes in a pandemic have an advantage…they are in. With the way cases are trending back up how many people plan to vote on Election Day that won’t? The number won’t be zero. Some people will get sick and be in the hospital. Some won’t be in the hospital but feel like shit and may be in bed.
Given the way 2016 went I would never say Trump’s doomed at this point especially with all the unknowns. But I will say if the majority of polling averages are correct it’s going to be a bad night for Republicans. Potentially an incredibly bad one depending on what you’re looking at. But right now district level stuff and other national races point to Trump performing worse than in 2016 in many many areas. A lot of data is out there to play with.
I don’t know what evidence is out there that isn’t completely loony that shows a landslide red night though. Although traditionally polls tighten as Election Day comes near. They really tightened in 2016 and we have some evidence they have tightened in certain states again.