You are quoting one gop talking point and multiplying it over and over. Donald tells thousands of different lies over and over. He lies more than any politician or for that matter anyone I’ve ever heard of. He lies more than he tells the truth. He is what he is, a lying game show host con man and it’s obvious that he has conned you.
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It is drugs you are injecting, so I assume drugs. He talks about different techniques of removing Covid from the body and the point he is trying to make is that if bleach is easy to remove it easy, then scientists should be able easily to find a technique.
And again you are giving one sentence out of contex. Watch the entire interview. It is about curing covid, how scientists are making progress and etc. He actually guessed that perhaps there is a way a light can go inside the body and clean it. Turned out there is an US company that does that but for different deseases. They got banned from twitter… couse factchechks…
I am trying to argue that Trump lies as much as any other politician. And these fact checkers are just another media narrative and propaganda. See how bad Trump is, he lied 1 milion times to us.
See nobody cares. We elect politicians to get the job done. We should discuss if Trump got the job done.
Imo he did a pretty good job pre Covid. He failed at Covid as much as any other world politician. My main critique towards him was that he gave directly to the companies, rather than invest in workers salaries like we did in Europe with, the 60/40 plan.
The question is who do you vote for? Lunatics who talk racism, global warming and keeping the country locked. Who support the destruction of US via policies and supported looting and rioting? Whos solution is more government, despite the fact that there was not a single government that handled well a simple task such as Covid.
Or the glitch in the matrix Donald Trump is? Who at least supports the core foundations of your country and tries to opose these lunatics. By the way he is a lunatic himself, but in much more managable way.
The alternative for US
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This guy needs to be re-educated, round up the appropriate tweets:
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This continues to be a myth. The economy was good, but not markedly different than the trendline of previous years before Trump took office:
As for the rest of your post, again, you just want to gas off generally. Not interested.
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He didn’t say drugs.
That’s the point you are saying he’s trying to make. And even if that is what he meant, it’s still silly.
Twitter you say? Well, if they were on Twitter then they must be legit. UV light has been used for years.
You know what’s the problem here? Whomever is concocting these stories - I guess Steve B or some hare-brained associate of Rudy W - is doing so based on how corruption works in the US. Corruption in Eastern Europe works in completely different - much more direct ways - and would never have included a coke head puppet.
The writers of this story also messed up the political/criminal affiliations of supposed “actors”.
The idea that apex criminal predators such as Mykola Zlochevsky and his henchmen write detailed, wooden e-mails in English, through Gmail with the added tag “ukraine” to their names is frankly ridiculous.
Also this.
The computer was dropped off at a repair shop in Biden’s home state of Delaware in April 2019, according to the store’s owner.
But before turning over the gear, the shop owner says, he made a copy of the hard drive and later gave it to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello.
“Hello, are you a conservative computer shop owner? Could you please look at this computer with a prominent Beau Biden sticker. I’ll never come again to reclaim it, but there may be some videos of me smoking crack on the hard drive as well as detailed correspondence about corruption in Ukraine”
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Yeah folks like me who live in other countries and don’t give a fuck about partisan politics
You know who does care? State governments and Big Social. The majority of the basis for their actions is predicated on what the WHO said, even though the WHO is not a recognized health authority in the U.S., it’s constantly referenced with regards to the silly laws and regulations regarding covid.
Now the WHO has backed off lock downs which is a major blow to the lock-down dependence narrative.
No. You said the wording of the ballot did not include ‘paying fines’ as part of the conditions of regaining constitutional rights. Inferring that the public was duped and the paying of fines was added later. So I included the language of the ballot as it was presented on the ballot, where it clearly states “after they complete all terms of their sentence”, which does include fines. After some wrangling, the measure passed and paying fines, is and always has been part of the process of regaining constitutional rights after a felony conviction.
You said the ballot only referred to prison time and it clearly didn’t. The measure passed and was implemented. Whatever political wrangling happened in the background, did not affect the end product.
Conclusion, the system worked as designed and nobody was denied anything that wasn’t on the ballot measure. Hence, no suppression took place.
Further, it was passed by the party you are accusing of suppression, when it didn’t have to be. The measure was created under republican control, voted on while being under republican control, and passed under republican control.
Regardless of the opinions of some individuals, no disenfranchisement took place. It was actually the opposite.
Y’all know how we didn’t have much in the way of studies on mask wearing and covid infections? Now we do. The results are completely unsurprising.
Aren’t we told to follow the science? Why is this story conspicuously absent in the MSM? Could it be because it debunks the narrative they have rammed down our throats for months? Guess what? Masks don’t work, at least not very well if at all.
Raise your hand if you didn’t already know this…
Because at the time of voting for the ballot measure this was not part of what was required to get voting rights back. The Florida GoP later passed a bill stating that this would be a requirement to get voting rights back.
Additionally, they didn’t create a system in which ex-felons could obtain the amount they owed the state, or how to pay it back. At the same time registering to vote if you owed money to the state could land you a felony.
It is like your argument is that it isn’t voter suppression because it was done legally. Legality is irrelevant to the question of does the GoP try to suppress voting.
This is false. I think this is the hang up in our discussion. It didn’t have to part of the process. The GoP passed the law after the amendment to make it a requirement. It didn’t have to be a requirement. They wanted it to be a requirement. Why do you think that is?
Do you have evidence of this? Because the text of the measure as presented to the voters was clear. At what, point after the ballot measure was, uh, balloted was there a change. I didn’t see anywhere, where paying fines wasn’t part of the reconciliation process.
Okay, well I researched this and I didn’t see where paying fines was ‘added’ or ‘subtracted’ after the measure passed. Show me the evidence and I will give you the point.
Here is a source
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From the article:
“The GOP-controlled Legislature, however, sought to limit the effects of the amendment by passing a law that conditioned the right to vote on payment of all fees, fines and restitution that were part of the sentence in each felon’s case. The state, however, had no central listing of this information, and the Legislature created no system to help felons ascertain how much, if anything, they owed. Even the state ultimately agreed that it would take six years to create such a system.”
I’ll leave you with a quote from DJT when asked about expanded voting access.
“levels of voting that, if you ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” - DJT
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Good stuff, thanks for taking the time. (incidentally, I find it bothersome that I almost never can get a substantive answer on this lately from GOP’ers in my orbit; very thankful for this forum in this regard)
I will say I disagree with your framing of the Paris Accords exit (if they actually had a plan to re-assume global leadership in this arena, we’d have heard or seen something by now); I also don’t see how their energy “strategy” is much more than mollifying their big-ticket donors who dominate these industries. And that overall, one might’ve expected more to get done with full control (2016-2018) besides adding that 2T to the deficit.
Didn’t read the article he posted.
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Okay, that still doesn’t rise to the level of disenfranchisement and the Supreme court agreed.
For the record, I do support restoring voting rights to former felons.
This article did a terrible job explaining it. It referred to felons as in active felon. Where as the measure is for former felons. Confusing language. Fines and Fees, more expressly fines, are part of the sentencing. Presumably that could be exchange for more time behind bars as the government often sentences people who do not pay their fines to jail, even for misdemeanors. So if part of your sentencing is to pay fines, well tough shit, in a sense. Get a better lawyer. You got to pay the fines to get out from under the conviction and sentence. If you do not, you are still under sentence until you appeal or pay.
What happens to you if you get a speeding ticket are sentenced a fine and do not pay it, nor appeal it in anyway? You lose your license, right? Presumably, you have a bench warrant for your arrest and if you are stopped by a cop, he can take you to jail. Why? Because you are under sentence and have not paid your debt to the people of the great state of Minnesota, correct?
The court obviously ruled this measure was constitutional. Because it is. Fines are part of sentencing provisions, sometimes even for felonies people are only sentenced fines. So, if you have a fine you didn’t pay, you are still under sentence and not a former, but current felon.
By all measures, the ballot as presented was not deceptive in anyway. And payment of fines are part of the sentence. Sometimes, that’s the sentence. Should someone who is convicted of a felony who was only sentenced a fine, be able to participate as a full citizen even though they didn’t pay their debt to society?
This is a worthy debate in the sense that perhaps there needs to be a change to the system. Maybe fines are to high or perhaps fines should be negotiated on balance with other methods of justice like community service. That’s a systemic issue, not a voting rights issue.
So the argument is, that the ballot measure was misleading and the GOP deliberately and intentionally changed the rules of the game after the ballot measure was voted on, specifically for the reason of voter disenfranchisement, thus moving the goal posts and disenfranchising voters. But that’s not what happened.
The ballot measure was clear from the beginning and SCOTUS agreed that fines are part of the sentencing process.
What’s not clear is who was confused about this in the first place and who brought it up. The ballot was clear so who started the fight? That’s what no one has mentioned. I do not see a clear intent to disenfranchise for the purpose of suppressing votes. I see a ballot measure that was clear when written and an electorate who was unclear on exactly what it meant.
Therefore, this was not a clear attempt at voter suppression. The clear result was the result that came out. I don’t know who tried to change the rules after the ballot was voted on, but the text of the ballot measure and the law is on the side of the GOP claims.
We can have the conversation as to whether or not the system needs to change to help former felons get back on their feet and I am all for prison, judicial and police reform, but the facts do not back up the partisan narrative being pushed here.
This article explains it better:
What I want to know, is what Trumps corruption was that was worse than: Clintons, Biden, Blago, Marion Barry, Obama, Wasserman -Schulz, Hastings, Warren.
We can add DeBlasio and Cuomo to that list…
Wow, this is must be big, right? To say it dwarfs anything bad Trump has done.
Geez, I didn’t realize it was so bad. I am worried, now. The unmasking is going to be absolutely brutal for the Dems and Biden. I can’t fathom the extent of something this BIG. With Barr on it, those at fault will surely be held accountable.
Okay, I get it. This is HUGE. I wonder just how bad it will be when this mess is finally unmasked.
Oh, wait. It looks like it just happened. I’m almost too nervous to read…
Wait, what? Pat said this was the biggest scandal IN HISTORY. I must be reading about something different than the Obamagate he was talking about…
(re-reads posts). Nope this is it.
Wait!! I know. The Hill is just a liberal mouth piece that is spreading lies. I’ll check other sources…
I’m just so confused. @pat, can you clear this up?
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They didn’t agree on that. The minority specifically said it was disenfranchisement.
From the article:
The Supreme Court’s failure to reinstate the status quo, said Sotomayor, “continues a trend of condoning disenfranchisement.”
The majority opinion seems to acknowledge it will lead to disenfranchisement, but that it is acceptable.
From the article:
The unsigned opinion in that case, Purcell v. Gonzalez , was likely written by Chief Justice John Roberts. It said that “orders affecting elections, especially conflicting orders, can themselves result in voter confusion and consequent incentive to remain away from the polls. As an election draws closer, that risk will increase.”
Yeah, especially when they don’t tell you if you owe a fine or not, don’t give you a way to find out, and threaten a felony if you try to vote. The way it is set up, it makes me wonder if they actually want people to pay their fines or avoid voting 
You don’t see an issue with threatening a felony for voting if fines are still owed, but at the same time, not allowing people to see if they owe fines, or make payment possible? This whole thing was set up by the GoP by the way.