Then you and I agree that the 5-10% claiming unrealisticly extreme positions should be refuted. IE demanding to eliminate all fossil fuels in a couple of years or the end to taxation.
But l don’t see the right doing this, while there are some are some loopy ideas being demanded from the left - street to the Congress/Judicial level on ideas that sound hatched from Sat night bong and shots college pow wows.
These are given a silent pass on pwi by ‘conservatives’ shitting on ‘faux conservatives’ all in the name of Trump.
Nothing. Just like I can say Joe Biden is a racist creep without explaining why I believe that to be true.
I’ve explained in great depth why I believe that the White Supremacist menace narrative is the Big Lie of our time. A good example of the harm it brings into the world is when leftist terrorists react violently to good police work.
I laid out examples. We have countless more examples. If you’re just going to dismiss them all that’s fine just let me know and I won’t bother.
But I’m not sure you really want to hitch your wagon to the Dems are fact free and their opponents aren’t. The frequency of Trump’s lies are unreal. But look what happens by his defenders when it’s brought up. The fact checkers are wrong and lying. Let’s talk about a different lie. I need to explain it better because apparently it’s too hard to decipher when I use his words. In fairness to his defenders though it can be quite confusing to try and figure out what the hell he is talking about.
Trump defenders are at risk of breaking their neck with the speed at which they try to change the subject to anything else. Even when it’s them who ask for evidence of him being shitty.
Why do you think absentee ballots are tracked and accounted for differently than mail-in ballots?
Why do you think mail-in voting is a new thing, when 33 million votes were cast by mail-in during the 2016 election? Why was it okay then but not now? If 33 million mail-in votes is fine, what is your cut off for when it is problematic?
Your argument about trusting USPS with money would apply equally to both absentee and mail-in voting. Could you explain why why some ballots cast by mail (absentee) are safer once in the mail than other mail-in ballots?
I feel like I’m reasonably intelligent, and I’d like to understand your position as this seems to be held by many Trump supporters. There must be something to it that I’m missing.
I don’t understand why we don’t have online voting. We can handle taxes online. Sure, it might require a few steps of verification, but so do taxes. I hope we see this in the future, but I don’t think the GoP shares my enthusiasm on this one.
Because it’s very susceptible to hacking. The election system is already vulnerable enough as it is. And I think online voting will eventually be an inevitable part of it. But it has to be super-secure and voter ID is a bit more difficult to accomplish, which is paramount for secure accurate elections.
We are voting on power of the country, not the masked singer so making sure it’s ‘one citizen, one vote’ is, what I see to be the biggest problem.
The GOP isn’t standing in way. The objection is changing voting procedures to an unverified method during an election season is the objection. I know that’s not what the media says, but that’s what it is.
Large scale, unrequested mail-in ballots have already proven to be a disaster. We’re not talking about absentee ballots, which has a chain of custody. Unrequested mail ballots do not have a chain of custody and people do not know they are coming and don’t know to expect them. So if they don’t get it, they never know the difference. Meanwhile, some jerk goes around stealing mail and the election gets screwed up. That’s the complaint and it’s been proven, overwelmingly to be a problem. Right now estimates have it that potentially 1 million ballots will not be counted for one of a multitude of reasons.
That’s not good for anybody.
Sure, I think we can have enough steps of verification to make it just as good as it currently is. Again, we just need to find a way to make elections easily accessible to all. Maybe election is a week. Maybe a national holiday. Maybe make it online and open for a month. Maybe all mentioned.
I am not convinced of this. The evidence seems to point to the GoP trying to suppress voting.
Why would we even look at the minimum? We need to cap the maximum effort to vote to ensure everyone can exercise their rights. I see no issue with making voting easier if it is just as safe. Why wouldn’t we do that?
I think if that is shown to be an intention of a law, then it is unconstitutional. Things like literacy tests used to be used, and they were unconstitutional.
I am also not convinced that effort is always a good indicator of who is well informed, or knowledgeable.
Absentee voting, at least as it existed before this election, required a voter to request a ballot.
Mail-in voting, as it has been suddenly implemented in some states, does not. They are just sending out ballots. Right off of the bat you’ve muddied up the waters by introducing more voting instruments than there are people who intend to vote. At that point you have a serious traceability problem, should anything come into dispute.
Compound this with the scope and scale at which this is being rolled out and whatever vulnerabilities already existed with absentee voting is now compounded tremendously.
Introducing an new chain of custody also introduces more opportunities for mistakes, lost votes, altered votes or even outright fraud.
If this pandemic was such that going to the grocery store was a real hazard, I might be open to a massive, untested system being rolled out nationwide for a pilot run during the most contested election since 1860.
Given that waiting in line at Wal-Mart has been going just fine, I see no reason to overhaul our election system.
Then again, I don’t see any reason to terrorize cities when a police officer does good police work, so what do I know?
Isn’t this is negated by having to sign the ballot, and have a witness sign the ballot. If a ballot is called into question, we can verify it. If it is a false ballot, we can ask the person who supposedly cast it, and they can deny sending it. A person voting can also track their ballot to ensure it was counted.
They wouldnt have objected, but more importantly, I’m not interested. You’re just here to whine about “Dems” and “liberal media” - obvious from the fact that in talking about how to make mail in voting better, you want to change the subject to “the Russia hoax!!1”.
It takes time and it has to be tested and retested and verified. But elections are accessible to all. Online voting is just a convenience, nobody who is eligible is being prevented from voting. We have extended early voting, which I did yesterday. And there are absentee ballots for those who can’t make it to the polls.
It’s so open, in fact that many registered voters don’t even vote, even though they can. They choose not to. It’s not a lack of ability or a systemic disenfranchisement. They just don’t do it and I am sure they have their reasons.
Please show me the evidence that the GOP is in anyway trying to suppress the vote. That’s the sore loser complex from shills like Stacy Abrams and AOC. There is no evidence of voter suppression, from the GOP or anybody else.
There are however, plenty of cases of voter fraud and indiscretion by the left. How many disposed of ballots have been found? How many stories of ballot harvesting and manipulation has there been? Tons. Already.