Nah, just bored and unimpressed.
That was an awful big rage post for being bored… I personally don’t respond to boring posts, I ignore them. But to each his own. And I already know I am a dumbass, so your not giving me any news I don’t know. Relax.
Really?
Don’t you imagine that increasing the number of steps in a process and especially the number of people in a process introduces more risk?
This is well-understood in the business world. I couldn’t imagine having a serious conversation with anyone who suggests that we abandon clocking in and out in-person and replace it with mail-in work reporting. Hell, I reported my own hours as a consultant and never had an issue. Why not roll it out everywhere all at once? You can’t prove that those guys on third shift will try to game the system.
Yet here we are, being told to pretend that something that hasn’t been tried before will go just fine. Nothing to worry about. Votes in the mail.
Just because you “imagine” something doesn’t make it so. There were 16 states that had the majority of their votes cast by mail last election, and Trump won 9 of them. Where was the outrage then?
Also, if you don’t trust mail-in voting but do trust absentee voting, why? What steps in the process of absentee voting decrease the risk you say is introduced in the process.
Since you brought up policy, please do remind us all of actual policy that this modern-day GOP espouses.
Take your time.
It is a matter of this process taking place on an unprecedented scope and scale.
Absentee voting was pretty specific with a decent paper trail and all 50 states had it.
Mail in is whatever each state says it is, which makes this exponentially less secure as a cohesive presidential election process. We are really talking about introducing over 50 new processes.
Some states are automatically sending ballots to every registered voter.
This is fundamentally different from everything we’ve ever done, with obvious potential for fraud.
How do you know who voted for who?
I’m done for the night but I’ll name a few to get the ball rolling.
For Trump specifics, I’m massively in favor of the EO signed to review the 1997 legislation governing our internet landscape. I’m also massively in favor of un-doing the Obamacare mandate.
Speaking more broadly the Trump/GOP energy policy is in stark contrast to Biden’s, while still making important progress towards cleaner and more efficient fuel.
The Paris Climate Accords were not about planetary health, they were about conferring competitive advantages to totalitarian slavers in the CCP.
I refuse to take part in the re-racialisation of the US government and society, so I support the purge of critical race theory from the halls of government.
I can keep going on but there’s a few for you to fire back on. No more typing for me tonight.
Like I said, the biggest piece of shit on the forum. A lonely, pathetic coward.
And loser. Middle aged, no family, no friends.
Here’s the data of the states that had over 50% mail in voting in 2016. Trump won 9 of these:
I just can’t understand how mail-in voting opens up the door for fraud when absentee voting does not. Are you saying both have the potential for enhanced fraud, but you were not as concerned because the scope and scale? But in 2016, there were 33 million votes cast by mail. Did this scope and scale not bother you? (I genuinely don’t understand your position).
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It’s the places sending out ballots to everyone that concern me the most.
Absentee you have to request and again it was quite limited in comparative terms. In-person and absentee share the characteristic of knowing how many people voted, for one. There is no way to know that when you just start sending ballots out. They all become instruments of whoever fills them out and sends them in. In person is obviously the most secure, but absentee is at least an established process with a decent paper trail.
Once in the mail they will be in a long chain of custody where they can be lost, forged or or otherwise altered before they get to where they are counted.
Let’s assume you’re right, that the size and scope are the issue (never been done on this scale, etc.) - wouldn’t the right solution be anticipating the issues and spending the months in advance improving the situation with new procedures, safeguards, etc. instead of just talking about how awful and dangerous it all is, as the months tick by?
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No, I don’t think that is a realistic time frame to implement a good system nationwide. I say this from experience as a consultant implementing process change at the state government level.
If, and that’s a big IF, you get those wheels to turn in the right direction, they will take a lot longer than a few months to roll where they belong.
That’s if you are lucky AND good.
Many jurisdictions are poorly run. Los Angeles sued SAP, claiming SAP is a faulty product.
SAP manages something like 1/3 of all worldwide businesses transactions. It is incredible software that needs hard work to make it work.
The City of Los Angeles wasn’t up to the task, and my state wasn’t up to a similar process change.
Hypotheticals aside, if WalMart is okay so is in-person and the old absentee process.
Of course not. How would you create a stab-in-the-back myth for mobilising the base in the next two to three election cycles otherwise?
Trump is still fundraising off “lock her up” 1400+ days after taking office. Imagine what a “stolen election” rallying cry would bring in next time
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How much time you got?
They ran a candidate who said it didn’t matter if we defaulted because we could get a good deal on the debt. We couldn’t default because we print our own money. We could cover everyone’s healthcare right now for cheaper. Mexico would pay for a wall. We can just buy Greenland. Almost everything said about Covid.
The GOP platform was whatever that guy thinks. Which might be fine if that guy wasn’t insane. I have no problems if people want to say Dems are fact free. But the GOP hasn’t gave a shit about facts in four years. They are ran by a guy who just creates his own. You should take some time and just read the fact checkers for Trump during his four years. Now this will take a bit because I believe he is at over 20,000 lies.
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Nonsense. You could fund drop boxes all over the place, and hire designated USPS employees to go collect, even door to door, for those who couldn’t make it to a drop - just give them a call and they come pick it up. These employees would not handle ordinary mail at all - they exist strictly to collect and process mail in ballots. Not only would that have been feasible, it would have been a fantastic jobs program in a wave of pandemic-related unemployment.
There are simple solutions when the political will is there. But there’s no will, only a desire to demagogue to preemptively undermine the election.
Have you considered a career in government sector software sales?
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Nothing I suggested required any kind of software change. It’s about manpower and logistics.
Which can easily be put into motion if you have a president who says “we’re going to have a lot more people voting by mail in 2020 due to this pandemic, how do we make sure it is done right and with integrity? We have a blank slate and an unlimited checkbook.”…
…rather than demagoguing for six months “it’ll be rife with fraud!” in between rounds of golf.
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Wrong, but let’s pretend we can use the Install Wizard to get that part up and running.
Make sure to click “Yes”… and we’re done! Oops, gotta reboot first! Alright! GTG.
Afterwards you just deploy your nonpartisan change management unicorns out of their pasture. All 50 states plus whatever other jurisdictions get to vote somehow nail the implementation of this new process.
I’m sure it could have happened that way, if not for The Cult of Trump.
More, apparently, since I’m now back on line.
Your last post takes more unpacking than I’m ready for. If you want to engage in good faith, pick a point or two and back it up somehow. Otherwise it is just more Orange Man Bad that’s expected to be taken at face value.
Explain how, or even link (with explanation) why you arrived at your opinion.
You and others here may have missed l posted several days ago that my parents got 2 envelopes containing 2 ballots each.
Simple and manually performed procedure… failure.
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