Not on remotely the same scale.
What would you call the most fact-free narrative in recent memory coming from the GOP?
How many more decades do you think are needed before we can properly gauge the outcomes of our various social experiments?
A couple come to mind. Trickle down economics and the assertions that come with that. That we are on a slippery slope to socialism with candidates like Biden. That the Democrats are trying to take down religion.
I am not sure. How long until we have a fair experiment? That fact of the matter is most cities are run by Democrats. Most cities have a high population density which is correlated to things like violent riots. Most cities are where the protests have occurred (I am unaware of a rural protest of any magnitude). To me, this makes it unreasonable to just assert that it’s the Democrats fault. I am not saying it isn’t their fault, just that I don’t think we have actually determined it yet.
Well, supply side economics does look very bad when you compare it to utopia. All those billionaires tax cheats and what not.
I’m eagerly awaiting your case for Keynesian Economics.
This seems rather self evident by virtue of stated policy, stated policy goals and policy changes over time. Not exactly a fact-free narrative.
This is another one that’s not exactly fact-free, but it depends on what you mean. Can you give an example of this rhetoric that fits your mold?
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It’s a rhetorical question you don’t want to hear the answer to, but here it goes anyway - mail voter fraud.
Also this, since new ones are coming in daily:
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What’s “fair” when no conservative would ever implement bail reform ala Cook County or adopt Los Angeles policies towards homelessness?
I suppose we’ll have a fair experiment once all of the liberals with money finish leaving their liberal utopias and start voting in their new jurisdictions. Give it a few decades to play out.
This has sped up even more in the pandemic and is reflected in all kinds of metrics from housing prices to U haul rates.
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You don’t believe that mail-in voting holds massive potential for fraud? This is your example of a fact-free GOP narrative?
Nobody answered my earlier question.
Who here would be comfortable conducting all of your financial transactions via envelopes stuffed with cash sent and received via USPS?
Mortgage due? Send an envelope stuffed with cash. Payday? Check the mail for that envelope of cash. Just sold a major property? Your six figure nest egg is en-route, safe and secure in an envelope stuffed with cash on a USPS truck.
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It’s more the assertion that it helps the middle class more than just directly helping the middle class that doesn’t add up to me. Maybe one day they will back this assertion up with evidence. They own the burden of proof on this one, not me.
I haven’t seen any policy hinting at the state owning everything. Any evidence on that one? I see them moving toward Democratic Socialism, but that is a horse of a different color.
I am unaware of any current elected Democrats bringing bills to take down religion? Maybe it is so. I think there are maybe 2-3 in congress as Democrats that are atheist (all the others are religious), but they haven’t brought any legislation to the table to take down religion?
You’re not even answering your own question - this is a hypothetical. Where are your facts that mail in voting is unreliable?
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I would. I have numbers to back me up: https://www.uspsoig.gov/blog/lost-and-found
It’s funny - you talk like you want a fact-based discussion on policy, but then when someone actually engages and supplies you with some, you have nothing to offer except semi-sarcastic non sequiturs.
How about some facts?
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Btw, on Limbaugh’s show, Trump said he wanted an even higher stimulus than what Pelosi is asking for in negotiations with the Senate. I, for one, look forward to all the principled right-wingers who are worried about the country sliding into socialism voting libertarian in 2020 based on this.
History is replete with countries across the world adopting supply side economic policies to the great benefit of all.
Keynesian ideas, eh, those don’t always go so well…,
Arguments like this aren’t possible without leftists muddying up the language in the first place. Sure, no state ownership per se, merely more steps to further tax our people and businesses to redirect the money earned to where they see fit.
Barely any difference…
This is why I asked for a specific example of this rhetoric. What do you actually mean? Plenty of Catholic charities can tell you about government interfering with their work and even shutting it down.
Then there’s that pesky fact that government has, quite recently, literally forced churches to close in some jurisdictions that both encouraged and allowed mass gatherings to protest the lie of institutional racism across our institutions.
If it were, why would Trump be using mail-in voting to cast his vote? Both “absentee voting” and “mail-in voting” refer to the process of using the mail to deliver ballots to voters. Regardless of the term used, all ballots delivered to voters by mail are verified before they are counted.
In 2016, 16 states had over half of their votes cast by mail-in methods. Of those 16 states, Trump won 9.
Geez, you got me there with logic that would impress any third grader. Of course there is no proof that a process that’s never been done will produce bad outcomes.
There was no “proof” that defunding the police would produce bad outcomes, but you didn’t need a liberal arts degree from Berkeley to bring up reasonable objections to it. In fact, it seems like you need a liberal arts degree from Berkeley to imagine that things like defunding the police or changing the entire voting process in an election year will go just fine.
I realize this post isn’t nearly as compelling to you as a New York Times article that’s a second hand account from an unnamed source regarding Donald Trumps rank hatred of all things decent.
I can’t really compete with rock solid material like yours. I only have my own thoughts explained in my own words.
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I hope you find the help you need. You seem very angry.
Absentee voting is NOT the same as mail-in. There is no evidence that this is even remotely secure. It defies logic to imagine that this sort of process change doesn’t introduce massive opportunities for all kinds of fraud and malfeasance.
The question I posed is a simple test of confidence in the USPS as a secure system. Would you be confident that all of your finances would be secure if conducted by sending and receiving envelopes stuffed with cash?
I sure as hell wouldn’t, especially since there are proven processes that don’t require confidence in a system that isn’t present.
I find it especially hard to square this policy with all of the other voting policies supported by Democrats. The argument seems to be that any step to make the voting process more secure will somehow disenfranchise millions of unnamed people who can’t find the local DMV.
I just voted… Feels nice to be counted.
Why? Taken from dictionary.com (I’m sure these days it’s considered a leftwing propaganda site):
** Voting fraud is extremely rare in the US, and voting by mail is no exception. In the past 20 years, over 250,000,000 votes have been cast by mail, and according to data from the Heritage Foundation, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud resulting in 1,100 convictions.*
** Studies done by such organizations as Stanford University have found that voting by mail does not favor voter share or turnout of either major political party. Expanding access to voting by mail is generally considered great for all voters and their ability to exercise their right to vote.*
Actually, see above.
It might defy your logic, but that doesn’t make it so.
No, because I am not sorry. And I didn’t remove it the moderator did. It was as fair as an assessment as I could make.
Enough about me, I am not that interesting. Can we discuss the topics at hand? All this personal stuff is really silly. Y’all trying to analyze me over the internet is silly.
If you don’t like me don’t talk to me. I have several people blocked for that reason. Feel free to block me if you don’t want to see what I write. It’s simple to disengage. And if you find yourself taking a forum on a bodybuilding website too seriously, take a break. It reflects poorly on you, if I am your main topic of conversation.
I am literally a nobody, if what a nobody says bothers someone so much, perhaps one should look in the mirror and not at the computer.
EDIT: I don’t mean you as in you, Ben. I meant the folks talking about me…
Sure, there are a number of states who do and have done mail in only for their elections (CO, OR, WA). What has the track record been for those states? Facts. Chop, chop.