The Push to 2020 Has Begun!

If I didn’t care about the country and only voted for myself, I’d be all about UBI and Universal Healthcare. I would become a much less economically productive person almost immediately. Instead of having a salaried job with full benefits I would probably become a part-time fishing guide and maybe bounce one or two nights per week.

I think a lot of people would do similar things, especially if they have grown kids and a decent level of financial security.

This incongruity strikes me as odd too.

According to his critics, Trump is an incompetent racist moron with no leadership skills who is somehow able to directly influence legions of un-named white supremacists and, as of today, right-wing extremists in Michigan with nothing more than special code words contained in his tweets.

If true, that would indicate tremendous leadership abilities, which is something you typically don’t find in incompetent morons.

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If UBI was $250/month, I doubt many would quit their jobs. At $1000/month I speculate we would see a huge drop in productivity. IMO, to do it right, it has to be less than one could live a simple life off of.

Universal health care I am for. Yes, I agree it would cost employers some leverage. I would have less incentive to stay working as an engineer, and might put up some flyers about fixing cars (since I am good at it and have most of the fancy tools). So I feel your sentiment there. I do feel there is a good chance that we might get a lot of new innovation from people who are now able to start their own businesses. I don’t know if that would make up for the loss of productivity from people like you and me? A couple big inventions could spur a whole lot of growth. But those aren’t a guarantee either.

TBH, I don’t really know what the best solution for health care is. Our current system certainly has flaws. If you need private health insurance, good luck affording that. I think if it was affordable privately we wouldn’t be so concerned about changing it, but I don’t know how that happens.

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So, you have this band of morons, who are most certainly a far-right group of weirdos with stupid ideas and suddenly, there were no riots by ANTIFA or BLM? 30+ people haven’t died in left-wing violence? There hasn’t been over 120 days of rioting, by the left?
It’s magic ladies and gentleman! How do you get rid of corona virus?
Riot.
How do you make 120 days of sustained left-wing violence disappear?
Have a right wing group caught doing something stupid!

Or does your tin-foil hat tell you that these are far-right activist, dressed up like the far-left, to make the far-left look bad, but its really the KKK!?

These guys will hopefully enjoy a long prison stay and hopefully, justice will come for the violent leftists too.

It’s really simple to condemn both without excusing either…

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We’ve both forgotten a key element of Trump: Putin. Perhaps it is merely Putin that is a great leader. Hell, I’m still not convinced that Putin hasn’t just donned Trump’s skin following Trump’s COVID death(the Democrats told us how terrible Trump’s chances, as an overweight man in his 70s who believes you have a set number of heart beats, against The Disease were…and I know better than to conclude it was wishful thinking on their part).

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The bar for an unofficial leader of white supremacists is set so low that even a dementia-induced slip of the tongue will embolden them to print T-shirts with the said slip.

See above.

That’s just part of the issue. 16 states have “naked” ballot laws which require certain steps for the ballot to count. We are going to have a lot of people probably screw that up. And in tight battleground states which will decide the election I have no doubt this could be a significant issue.

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It’s not that hard to figure out but you like arguing pretending like you don’t know what people are saying so whatever.

We’ve done this. Characteristics of good leaders Trump doesn’t have these. Was Charles Manson a great leader? Is anyone who has people that follow them one? Do we really have to put good in order for people to follow along?

It’s obvious what people are saying here. We needed a (ok better put good) leader during the Covid crisis. Trump is not a (ok better put good) leader.

I don’t understand why we can’t have a week long election. Well I do understand, as it would take an act of the congress and president to change it, and I don’t particularly see one side wanting more access to voting.

Should be a national holiday at the minimum. We talk about how important voting is but we do it so stupidly. Hey let’s just pick Tuesday but only during these times everyone. Hope that works for your schedule!

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I am not sure why the DEMs don’t harp on this more. It seems like it would be hard to lose by proposing legislation to improve voting access. If the GoP senate or president blocks it, it would be really hard for them to win an optics battle. Maybe they benefit more from voter restriction than they would be hurt by an optics battle? If so, I don’t see why the DEMs wouldn’t take winning an optics battle (even if they can’t improve voting access)?

I am not sure how voter restriction plays out with GoP voters? I have a hard time believing they don’t want a fair democratic process? Maybe I am off here and winning an unfair election is more important that democracy?

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So what if he is? If you guys beat on him, it will only make him dig in his heels and send him to Trump’s, welcoming, loving arms…
It’s not a sin, a moral atrocity, a crime, or anything awful to think, Trump ain’t that bad. It’s also not bad to support Trump.
I could hide it, but it’d be obvious anyway. I have always leaned conservative, though I have gotten more liberal over the years. Don’t count on some sort of Benjamin Button political effect. The lines I won’t cross are rock solid, unless I lose my mind…

Who said this? Christ, man - stop wasting my time.

Oh, you’re going to get your wish. If it’s only a week it will be a miracle. The system has been primed for widespread fuckery like you’ve never seen. Early voting starts here 10/12. I wish they just left the system alone and didn’t start fucking with it in April.
The mail-in ballots have been such a disaster, even democrats are starting to reverse course calling the system now “broken”. The dicken’s you say!
No shit, everybody on the right has been calling it a shit show from the beginning.
But no, even if it’s for the good of the election, far be it from the government to come together and hold the rudder stable in rough seas.

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, want the election process to be fair and simple. The way it was before people started screwing with it. I prefer to lose in a definitive election, than to win in a smarmy one. No one will concede, no one will leave a stone un-turned as long as there is even a wiff of a chance for victory.
And it all could have been prevented, by simply saying: Leave it alone.

You don’t change election procedures in an election year. Just saying that sentence automatically makes it feel fraud.

A couple of new laws on the books I would like to see, the 28th amendment. “Thou salt not fuck with election law or procedure during an election year.”
and … damn it! I forgot.

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Term limits is my choice for what you forgot

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I believe that for the many of the people who are unstable and that follow trump they saw this as their marching orders. Obviously these guys were not the best and brightest so it kinda makes my point.
Most sane people would have just blown it off as trump talking crazy.

Latest from Pew, demonstrating that Americans have coalesced into their respective virtual echo chambers:

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What Americans since Reagan have realized is that there is a third way between radical politics and liberalism. Decline? Collapse? No — rather, to live a virtual public life created around representations of extreme politics existing in other countries or other historical periods, but experienced in relative safety.

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Well…shit always rolls downhill, so maybe? Depends on how many people he could fire and blame.

That whole fiasco is a disgrace. “Ballot security”. Bullshit.

We won’t sadly.

I really don’t know either. I think maybe they’re stuck on the voter ID thing, but honestly how easy would it be to just bypass that and say “let’s make Election day a national holiday”.

The optics would be crushingly good, and they’d almost certainly have a bill pass - because even the most diehard partisan would look at the polls in their district and think “maybe I don’t want my voters to hate me”.

Yeah I don’t know either. But I assure you that the regular voter wants a fair election and process. I’m not really sure what the hang up is

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No, I mean with respect to the people the CEO answers to - the board of directors, and even the shareholders.

I’ll go ahead and answer my own question - a board would have fired him a long time ago. It’s not debatable. The lack of competent leadership and the value-destroying behavior would have been ended years ago. This has nothing to do with ideology, which was my original point - you could be liberal or conservative, it doesn’t matter, his ineptitude and mania make him unfit for the job of President, just as he’d be unfit as CEO of a company.

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