You know what? I’m actually entertaining the possibility that something like this might happen after that whole Kavanaugh fiasco.
But I won’t be following much of this unless the odds at the bookies are similar to 2016 lol. I just completed a several months long project that has left me completely sick and drained pertaining to anything to do with politics, at least for the next couple more months.
Did you read the article? Did you read the Moody’s report? What about it is wrong?
You foolishly tried to dismiss as coming from a partisan source (The Hill isn’t one, btw), but that’s nonsense - what’s incorrect about Moody’s analysis?
This isn’t evidence it doesn’t work.
Why don’t you present your “overwhelming evidence”? Again, I’ll wait.
Yes, I did read the source. Of course their analysis hinges on picking just one of several economic policies that Biden has proposed. And since Biden hasn’t managed to keep his word, pretty much ever in 40 years of politics, I am not counting on his ‘shovel-ready’ policies either.
Plus, how are you going to put people to work, at low wage manual labor jobs, while simultaneously re-locking down the country. Biden promise to do that too.
I’ll give Moody’s analysis it’s just do. But counting on conflicting promises from Biden doesn’t give me much confidence, especially given his actual history like presiding over the slowest economic recovery in history, rewarding the offending banks, while kicking 5M+ people out of their houses. His support, retraction and support for the green new deal, etc.
The sad part, is that you are having to speak on behalf of Biden to prop him up, because he cannot speak for himself. And when he does it’s usually an unmitigated disaster.
Did you read the Biden-Sanders contract? I believe your initial reasoning was to convince me that Biden wasn’t a socialist, however this document and his own website says he is very much willing to embrace socialism if it will get him the keys to the WH.
Okay, are you really waiting? I will try to make this quick.
(I may have to put the overwhelming evidence in two or more posts, because there is so much of it.)
Actual voter fraud here:
Ooops!
Sometimes, shit happens:
What could possibly go wrong!:
Just 100,000 plus ballots, but it is California so, a drop in the bucket:
Nothing to see here:
**Part 1
Are you still waiting? I am trying to spread the sources out and I am trying to use mostly left leaning sources, in case you do not respect a particular source.
Now keep in mind, my claim is that mail-in voting is fraught with problems making it unreliable at best and easily subject to fraud at worse and anything between the two.
Anyway, continuing the overwelming evidence that, particularly unsolicited mail-in voting is royally fucked up:
How many ballots are in a tub?:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/three-tubs-of-ballots-discovered-in-mail-processing-center-after-polls-closed-in-wisconsin/ar-BB12laJO
Okay, okay, this is a right wing source, but I chose it because it has video:
Even the Gray Lady got in on some of this action:
Just ditch’em!:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trays-of-mail-including-absentee-ballots-found-in-a-ditch-in-wisconsin/ar-BB19mhqr
Okay, so what will be the complaint? It’s not wide spread enough? Not enough ballots were fucked with to matter? Or, it’s fine because these were found and ‘rescued’ (save for the disqualified ballots)? Not enough sources?
What else do you require to be convinced that, particularly unsolicited wide-spread distribution of ballots by mail is a disaster in the making?
Absentee balloting is ten times more secure then mass ballot mail-outs and it’s still half as secure as voting in person.
Are you still waiting for more overwhelming evidence? Because there is more.
**Part 2
End
Trump has never hung out with a plumber or a welder and he likely doesn’t know what either of them even do.
The idea that Trump is for the common man is so laughable I don’t know how even Pat could say it with a straight face.
Not sure I thought I’d live to see the day where “will a President stay in office despite losing?” was a viable question for us to discuss.
No, you didn’t. Not until I responded. Had you, yiu wouldn’t have attacked the source.
So, you have no criticism of it other than “I don’t think Biden will follow through on the policies.” That’s nonsense. How about just addressing the policy? Like Moody’s did?
Uh, if Biden wasn’t speaking up for himself, where do you think Moody’s got the policy? I’ve watched speeches by both Biden and Trump in 2020 - Biden is explaining a coherent economic policy 100x than Trump.
You? Not especially. The point was to point out how preposterous it is to claim Biden is a socialist or anything like it. His plan - per Moody’s analysis - shows stronger growth by capitalism’s very metrics.
I’ll be honest (and could care less about the flames that come my way…)
But all of these sudden “problems” and issues with ballots…all having some type of negative impact only on Trump…are causing my skeptic meter to go wild…
And my smell meter seems to be detecting a distinct smell of Borscht…
Either way…Trump has “won” this battle.
He wins? The system is good.
He loses? The system was rigged all along and off to his Supreme Court it goes.
The next bombshell has dropped:
NYT put a lot of work into this. I don’t get the paper version but it looks like it may take up the majority of the Sunday paper 
.
Set aside some reading time.
I still remain on record that Trump wins…
Again…
the “silent” Trump Vote…
ongoing Riots and unrest are ALL to Trump’s favor. (They need to all be invited to a ceremony on the South Lawn).
the fact that Battleground States are becoming more and more a toss up. My thought is that where it is close, Trump wins…and
Russian interference will once again prove effective.
MAGA
4 more years
I don’t think this necessarily changes election chances.
I do think it shows the emperor’s new clothes, and then some
Are you talking about the Tax issues, @Aragorn?
The SDNY probably has more evidence against Trump than they had for Joe Bonanno, Sam Giancana, Paul Castellano and John Gotti combined. What this means for a sitting President, I have NO idea.
I forgot to add…
To Trumpublicans…Trump is a Rock Star…
To DEMS? Biden is your very capable Tax Consultant or Financial Advisor…
Yes I was talking about the tax returns and the NYT article group I just posted. There are things that look super sketchy to me just reading that, let alone information being dug around in private by investigations.
Besides the obvious (Trump is not near as successful as he wants to appear), I think other big issues come to light.
By the way?
I like my Tax Consultant…but he doesn’t exactly light up a room!
Was thinking about the Debate on Tuesday.
With limited, select people in the audience, social distancing, etc…
Do you guys think that it favors one Candidate over the other?
I do think Biden needs to stay “on-script”. If he tries to ad-lib it, or get in the mud with Trump, he loses…BIG time.
(Just thinking out loud. Each side will say their guy won anyway…)
And I think there’s a visceral reaction by the blue collar folks that he says are in his camp - the welder/plumber likely paid more in taxes than Trump did over the past few years, and it appears from the article, Trump cheated to do it.
The bigger issue to me re: the tax returns is the fact that we learned that Trump has $300-400 million in loans coming due in the next four years that he personally guaranteed. Excessive debt is a national security problem (and IIRC, would be a reason to disqualify someone from a sensitive NatSec position).
This story raises many questions. On a bunch of his licensing deals, he paid a crazy amount of money on “consulting fees”, in some cases, to Ivanka. They were obviously to reduce his tax bill. These are going to come under scrutiny.
More hair raising details - in 2012, Trump mortgaged Trump Tower to the tune of $100 million - and took it as a payout (cash for himself). The company has only paid back the interest, and the principal of 100MM is part of what is coming due.
But around the same time, Deutsche Bank also extended a loan to Trump for $150 million. No way a bank would extend that kind of a loan to a company as cash poor as Trump’s - so who guaranteed that loan for Trump?