You need to get woke. It’s racist to see anything but race.
None? Not even qualified immunity?
One thing is clear - the more you write, you demonstrate how little you know. Later.
You do know, that really isn’t an argument but a way out of debating the facts.
What do these two white supremacists think?
Police have an entire legal doctrine making them all but immune in civil suits for their excessive and harmful behavior, but you think cops never get the benefit of the doubt.
Hilarious. No interest in amateur hour.
I was talking about how YOU judge things. I know, the cops should just people in the leg, right? But only if they are black. It’s ok to kill white people.
Your entire narrative is objectively wrong.
No you weren’t - you’re just yammering without knowing what you’re talking about (yet again). Cops get a tremendous benefit of the doubt, and that’s one of the goals of police reform - to reduce those shields from liability so victims of excessive force can seek redress, and incentivize cops to use more restraint.
Qualified immunity essentially serves as a blank check to use force. Feel free to read up.
And, take the hint - I’m not interested in what you have to say on this stuff.
Do you think the Jacob Blake shooting was justified? Or the one with the guy who had passed out in the drive through, took the taser and fired it at the officer?
I’m no expert, but I’m not an amateur on this particular subject. Care to engage?
I’m read up on this subject. You are wrong. We do not live in a society where anyone has a blank check to use force, unless you happen to be a rioter living in a heavily Democratic jurisdiction in the last few months. That’s a strange exception, hopefully relegated to 2020.
Can you explain which case or pattern of cases has led you to arrive at your previously stated belief that system racism is a root cause of bad outcomes? I’m particularly interested in your critiques of specific instances of police use of force and how that fits into the broader pattern of systemic racism.
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Of course not because you want to come off as a know-it-all.
But let’s talk about knowing. I was trained as an LEO, not you. You don’t know what it’s like to be issued a deadly weapon and put on the streets.
I lived in the ghetto. My life was in danger several times and it wasn’t the cops but people who happened to be black. And who saved me one of those times? A cop who happened to be walking by. I worked with kids in several ghettos so I witnessed first hand the behaviors that lead to someone getting shot by the police. I worked with kids who were in jail and saw first hand their I don’t give a F attitude.
YOU, are just a useful idiot white man who bases his beliefs on what Don Lemon says is true.
I asked you to provide ONE example of a black man being hunted down by the cops. You provided none.
I’ll ask you now to provide one example of a police officer shooting a black man because he is black. Will you? I doubt it.
I’ll ask you to explain why white men are shot by the police since it can’t be race.
I’ll ask you to explain why those same reasons don’t apply when the person shot is black.
I’ll ask you to explain why, if cops shoot both white and black men who are unarmed, it’s only about race in the case of black men.
I’ll ask you to explain why a study conducted by a black professor at Harvard showed that white cops are quicker to shoot white suspects than black suspects. A finding that surprised the professor.
YOU have put forth the BLM narrative when it comes to police and race yet, when questioned about it you avoid any attempt at proving it’s true.
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He’s the kind of person who thinks cops should use their highly tuned Kung Fu skills or shoot weapons out of suspects’ hands. He also believe that law abiding people, including the police, should give criminals a fair fight.
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Are you asking someone that has never taken a position on anything?
Happy reading.
Oh no, far from it, I just don’t like to waste that kind of time.
Well you got me. I can’t really compete with dodging questions and linking other people’s thoughts with brief one-liners.
Good night.
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Yes.Or.No
Just answer the question.
Haha
What does that have to do with police hunting down black men?
Is your answer that police shoot black men because of immunity? That makes sense to you?
Then why do they shoot white men?
I don’t expect an answer from you. Which tells us your answer.
From the top, I posted this recently:
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6%3Famp
This notes that AAs are shot at a rate of 31 per 10 million, while whites are shot at a rate of 13 per. Disproportionate, given that AAs only make up 12-13% of population. Even when you remove shootings against armed people (which is the most likely scenario when cops are justifiably using force to defend themselves), the rates are about the same (30 and 10, respectively).
Dispositive of racism? No. But look at all the other data that show disproportionate results in wealth, education, health care, even marijuana arrests and punishment - something is clearly up for AAs generally, and that general trend tracks exactly in the data showing cops shooting citizens.
In other words, if the data showed proportionality in other areas, I’d be more inclined to think the shooting disproportionality would be explained by reasons other than racism/discrimination and be more of a one off anomaly. But that’s not the case.
And as I also said (above), I think other factors are playing a role. But setting aside biases either way, I don’t see a way around looking at all these data points in their totality and not being alarmed systemic racism is a real possibility.
As for excessive force (which is far broader than shooting), almost 90% of AAs believe cops are more likely to use force against them. That belief comes from somewhere, and no, it’s not the predictable boogeyman of the “librul media!”. I think with that kind of overwhelming belief, along with all the data across all the subject matters affecting them (crime, health care, economy, effevt of pandemic, etc.), it’s high time we listen to what they are saying.
That’s my view. None of this is to say I believe all LEOs are bad or complicit - the vast majority are hardworking and fair public servants doing a very tough and dangerous job - but some are, and we need to make our rules not protect the bad ones (modifying QI is a place to start, but that’s not all). Cops deserve the right to protect themselves, and in a close call, we need to err on the side of the cop’s judgment. But cops have a unique place in our society - they are the government, and they operate with a monopoly of force. That’s fine and necessary, but We the People have a right to make sure that monopoly on force is carefully guarded and monitored in the name of protecting our civil liberties. And, yes, unpopular as it is on the Right these days, protecting the civil liberties of those that don’t look like you or think like you.
All hail liberty, lest she be drowned in the name of the new authoritarianism.
Savvy?
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So the data of cops includes their race also?
I also agree LEOs are not above the law.
And don’t recall any of the current or former LEOs here feeling any differently.
But as the security component of society, they surely can’t be handcuffed by the foolishness of mayors, DAs, etc who sre more desirous of personal ideological objectives than statutory enforcement.
Edit l would add that all of the lofty ideals of law, constitution, and such do depend on the physical component provided by the police. Otherwise they are words on a page.