No, try again - I’m not “lauding” it. I’m not assigning any value to it at all - I’m describing what happened in objective terms. This huge movement that spent incredible amounts of money, energy, and resources over decades to establish itself went poof at the arrival of Trump and barely put up a fight for all it had worked to establish, and then fell in line behind a platform of no coherent or consistent principles at all (except grievance).
(Tea Party, too. Where have they been in attacking the yawning deficits created by Trump?)
I don’t personally think that was his point. The point was Republicans spent a lot of time saying they were for certain things and Trump was essentially the opposite of the vast majority of those things.
I mean during the Tea Party movement and the get rid of RINO’s talk in 2010 and on would you have really ever have thought that Republicans would have ran someone who talked about defaulting on the debt, nationalized health care, against basic free market principals they touted, and not even remotely socially conservative?
We’d all be laughed at like crazy if we went to a Tea Party rally in 2010 and told people in 6 years they will all vote for candidate with what Trump ran on.
Ok. But now Biden and the Democrats embrace self described socialists, wokeness, their own kind of racebaiting, their own candidate directly accused of sexual assault, hostility to allowing nuns, hobby lobby, and wedding cake makers space to exercise their conscience. Still embrace abortion on demand (if not outright subsidized) and near silence over violent left-wing riots. Add in a souring on globalism and foreign adventurism. If it wasn’t Trump specifically, I’d vote for it.
And a cringe factor at least as bad as the GOP
But hey, don’t vote either party.
Get me a better messenger and I’ll vote for this version of GOP . You couldn’t ever get me to vote Democrat.
I’m curious (and I hope every “side” gives some input).
With all of this RHINO talk…I am curious as to how you view Nikki Haley (she ain’t Trump…so there’s that); how you think the Trumpublicans will view her; and how she will probably be viewed after 4 more years of Trump?
IF she runs in 2024 (and we can also speculate that Kamala Harris will now be in the mix…just thinking ahead for discussion)…Haley will have one helluva’ balancing act to pull off post-Trump. The Trumpublicans will have been fed Leftist Red Meat and divisiveness for eight PLUS years by perhaps the greatest Con-Man in American History. I don’t know how much they will tolerate any less at this point.
RAND Paul. Wasn’t there video showing that he was not really harassed and bullied as much as he said…and that his next door-neighbor had opened up a much greater can of woop-ass on him than any of these protesters had? (I just bring this up because of all of the whining he has done since the incident with the protesters).
Well, despite his near brush with injury, etc., thank goodness he had the energy and calm to…er, try and score political points:
“It’s become so dangerous for us and I don’t hear Joe Biden or Kamala Harris saying one thing about the violence. This mob is their voters. This is the new Democrat party, and if we don’t resist this, the United States is going to become Portland. We’re going to become Chicago. All of these failed cities Democrats have run, the president said in his speech,” Paul said.
That’s absurd. Pre-Trump, the United States was unified. Sure, there were political parties, but that was just because some people like blue and others red. There was peace throughout the land, until Trump. Trump, I tell you. Sure, we Democrats may call him a RINO and try to convince Republicans that he isn’t conservative-enough for them, but that’s for their own good. He’s also way too right-wing, and we also need to convince them of that. He’s an incompetent politician, but he’s also a smooth-operating political genius that has conned half the country. Please, just give me a biracial, transsexual, quadriplegic dwarf to act as the figurehead of my government.
You’re overstating how far left Democrats have moved, but mainly this is your disagreement with the Democratic platform/direction. That’s fine, as far as it goes - they’re socially liberal, and you’re not a fan. I’m talking about something different - I’m talking about a movement and party that abandoned its direction after decades of establishing it, all when a (dumb and not particularly charismatic) carnival barker showed up and hijacked the proceedings.
Vote for who you want, but this year’s election isn’t policy differences vs. policy differences - competence and integrity are on the ballot.
They can obviously endorse who they want, but it’s incorrect to say Democrats didn’t do anything for the local mining industry:
Playing to the Iron Range crowd, Pence said, “The president stood up to Chinese steel dumping,” a sentiment later echoed by Virginia Mayor Larry Cuffe.
In a fact check, it’s notable both men failed to acknowledge how President Barack Obama was the first to go after Chinese steel dumping, sending his chief of staff, Denis McDonough, to Virginia in 2015 to address the matter. During what was a depressed time for the mines, the Obama-led effort put high tariffs on Chinese steel products and signaled a turnaround on the Iron Range.
“Joe Biden did nothing to help the working class,” Cuffe said in error, while proclaiming himself a former Democrat in support of Trump.
