The Push to 2020 Has Begun!

This is such an odd take to me. In our system of 1 vs 1 why wouldn’t “this guy may not be great but the other guy is a lunatic” not be a compelling enough reason?

Is Biden who I would want to win? Probably not in a bunch of scenarios? When his opponent is a lunatic? Absolutely.

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I still think Trumps the likely winner. He certainly improves the more he shuts up and that has been consistent throughout his presidency. When his approval numbers have risen it’s been after periods of (for him) relative silence. If he can stick to reading speeches that have been written for him and be somewhat of a human for the next few months I think he wins for sure.

Hard to predict with Covid but most Trump voters don’t believe it’s much and they are having him sign bibles. They are definitely turning out. And they have certainly shown they aren’t going anywhere no matter what he does.

So do I, @H_factor. The following simply hasn’t changed:

  1. There is this slightly “hidden” stat that appears in some Polls (I know it’s in CBS’s Polls…and they are the one organization that has admitted publicly why perhaps they got it “wrong” in 2016)…and its called the “Enthusiasm Gap”. Trump is way ahead of Biden in the enthusiasm his followers have for him. That translates into them getting to the Polls and in large numbers.

  2. The Riots continue unabated. This gives Trump and the GOP all the video footage they need for their continued (false) narrative of the Barbarians, Communist and Marxist being at your doorstep and ready to take over and burn down the Country. Republicans are good…damn good at fear-mongering and painting the DEMS as the reason for the downfall of the Country. And the riots just feed the flames.

As James Carville (or Bill Clinton?) once said (paraphrasing)…“If you let the other guy define who you are…you have already lost”.

  1. People like Trump have perhaps millions of “closet voters”. They secretly support his vitriol, bullshit and hypocrisy…and while they will not support him publicly or even in Polls (and they sure as hell will not be caught dead wearing a “MAGA” hat in public)…they will Vote for him as enthusiastically as someone who does.

  2. Think things are a little “negative” now? The GOP has yet to release “the Kracken”. Rest assured it will. Buckle-Up when they do.

I think Biden has gotten the historical post-Convention “bump”…and it’s my opinion that it will be his last.

MAGA
4 more years.

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Just to add:

CBS states that they are going to have more people “on-the-ground” and among the people in order to gauge more accurately what people are really thinking.

Do you ever reflect on your past posts and threads?

A year ago you started a thread wondering how anyone could possibly see the narrative of white supremacy in the USA as a “hoax” or even an overblown media narrative. You went on to express shock that anyone could believe such a thing, along with making vaguely worded innuendos suggesting that such people are proof positive of white supremacy being alive and well.

When challenged, you couldn’t produce a single example of white supremacist activities bringing harm into the modern world, aside from the old “fine people on both sides” standby.

Now, after years to reflect on the total absence of white supremacist violence or policies, you tell us that there is no Marxist threat at all. You say this in the face of nationwide Marxist violence, dozens dead and widespread endorsement of an openly Marxist political organization. They painted it on the streets of our largest city and are presently implementing the policy demands of the leftist terrorists.

Whenever I find myself so staggeringly off the mark, I think about revising my thoughts and opinions. But hey, I’m sure those white supremacists will step out of the shadows and act any day now, just as you and the concerned folks at CNN warned us about.

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Per my “burning cities” question above, let’s see the evidence of this problem nationwide.

This has been covered - naturally you ignored it because it counters the Kool Aid you consume. The general movement of BLM - that we’re seeing protesters (generally), athletes, corporate America, etc. support - is not the BLM organization that has named itself BLM (there’s actually more than one, in any event). Meaning, the protests aren’t “Marxist” phenomena, and your old, tired talking point can finally be laid to rest.

Starting with the above, which is overdue.

What is the number of cities, businesses and people being subjected to left wing terror where you will find yourself concerned?

One thousand? A million? Or can it always be explained away?

It’s just some coincidence that the words painted on the NBA basketball court, the streets of NYC and being repeated all over our social and cultural landscape just so happen to be exactly the same as an openly Marxist political organization that’s received millions (billions?) in funding.

Just a coincidence… right…

I will make this as clear as I can.

What was being argued was that White Supremacy was a hoax…and that it didn’t exist. My point was that it was alive and well…and as per their agenda, sewing chaos wherever they can. Because your Marxist groups may be in the spotlight now does not mean they are going away.

If you have any interest whatsoever in who they are and their activities; refer to 1) the Simon Wiesenthal Center Site and 2) the Southern Poverty Law Center Site. Otherwise, I am not going to do your research for you.

The second false narrative is of the overtaking of the U.S. by Communist and Marxist (how long has that one existed? You would fit well into the 1950’s @twojarslave…)

Where are the Marxist Generals organizing Coups throughout the U.S. Military to overtake our leadership? (One needs muscle for such a change). Where are the Marxist groups in Congress fighting to overtake the Legislative Branch with the goal of eventually taking over the Country? Where are the Marxist Federal and Supreme Count Judges working to overtake our Judiciary and to change our very Constitution?

The list is endless to point out how false your narrative is. Thugs, anarchist, the jobless and and the clueless are burning down the inner portions of some select U.S. cities and suddenly the Mongrel Hoards are at every person’s doorsteps. Yes…certainly they are at the doorsteps of the small businesses affected (@doogie)…but as some organized movement overtaking the very fabric of America…no.

Nope - you’re trying to change the subject, but I won’t bite. I’m concerned for the people in the midst of such an event, and I haven’t heard a sibgle person say they weren’t.

It isn’t about concern - the issue is how widespread it is or isn’t - and whether the threat to people where it isn’t happening is being exaggerated for political purposes.

I live in a “Democrat run” city. If I believed half your nonsense, I’d be living in fear that the Marxist hordes were at the gate and I needed to board up my windows and start stockpiling ammo and canned goods.

I don’t believe your nonsense though, because I’m wise enough to know this isn’t a widespread problem based on the facts (you know, the ones you avoid producing).

And look, everyone gets ir - it’s a tactic. Fear mongering is the oldest trick the political book.

Lol. The SPLC would suggest that anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is a white supremacist.

So you can’t name anything. “Do your research”. I have. There is no meaningful level of white supremacist activities, whether we’re talking about violence or political momentum for white supremacist policies.

In fact the demand for white supremacy exceeds the supply to such a degree that we see hoax after hoax to advance the narrative.

“Do your research”. That’s rich. Just admit you have no data.

Since you can’t be bothered to read anything outside of www.tinfoilhatpatriotz.com or whatever, this may help:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/indepth/2020/8/1/21341158/black-lives-matter-hashtag-movement-organizations-making-sense-different-groups-national

Yes…do your own research.

(Oh…I did research one thing for you though. Senator Joe McCarthy’s birthday is November 14th if you’re interested…)

The protests may not be, but the rioting certainly is. The rioting is a bunch of pale, skinny white kids who are absolutely marxist and want to end America as it is. What happens after dark has nothing to do with any black lives.

I can agree with this doogs…

But as some widespread movement to overtake the very fabric of America?

No.

Ok, well, glad you conceded that point so all the right wing loons can stop peddling that nonsense. But back to square one, then - how many cities are currently being sacked by Marxist riots?

On any given night…3 or 4 usually. Way too many. How many are you willing to tolerate? How many lives are willing to allow to be lost to the riots? How many police officers are you willing to have injured, blinded, or killed? How many businesses are you willing to have looted and burned?

We teach and celebrate the Boston Tea Party which was a riot lol.

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Ok, good. So it’s clear - this is not a widespread problem.

What does the above not mean?

  • That riots anywhere are ok or tolerable
  • That violence anywhere is ok or tolerable

So, quit conflating those concepts.

Read above. The issue is whether people where it isn’t happening should be scared. The information says no. So stop trying to exaggerate the threat.

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And the abetting is pale skinny white liberals who neither smell smoke nor see fire, while living in 2 of the most GOP states in the US, and this street nonsense hasn’t gained traction yet.

Yep.

But that was our riot.:grinning: