[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Christine wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Dissect it anyway you want, she has charisma.
I completely disagree with this statement.
If she has charisma, why do I have the urge to strangle her until her eyes pop out.
I’m really not a violent person.
Pretty girls don’t like other pretty girls.[/quote]
Depends. My wife LOVES her. I think its cute.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Huh. I’m the opposite. I thought Biden overplayed the urban routine. It just came off like he was trying to be too “Big City.”
How so? I thought he barely mentioned it. He did talk about Scranton a bit. Probably not as much as he should have.
Just the way he spoke and composed himself. Very “big city.”
That’s just the way he is. He wasn’t talking about representing ‘America’s underprivileged urban youth.’ I don’t like Palin’s accent or voice. But that’s just what my ears think.
I don’t hold that against her at all. I have no problem with her background. Hell, I don’t even mind her mannerisms. Nothing wrong with a shoutout to the third graders her brother teaches. That’s fine. That’s human.
But ad nauseum references to Joe Six Pack and hockey moms? Come on. And can you really tell me, it wasn’t contrived when she started to ramble about parents at kids soccer games in response to a question about the economy?
I love soccer. I played soccer. Millions of kids across America have in the country and in suburbs have. People are really not so different from state to state and across different backgrounds as some might like to think.
No one really likes polished, stilted, career politicians. But is that really what you want to hear in response to a question about the economy? Is that a natural reference? That’s not natural imagery to call up when the simple answer is that the economy’s in trouble. It’s just a transparent attempt to try and get all those soccer parents to identify with her.
Oh, I don’t think McCain or Palin are strong speaking about economic issues. But, after seeing the Obamessiah/Biden team brag about spending more money on liberal give aways while all this is going down? Tax and spend, now? [/quote]
McCain hasn’t been particularly strong. Palin’s managed to avoid talking about the economy at all beyond saying that you know it’s bad because you can see the fear in the faces of parents at soccer games.
Which liberal giveaways? If we’re going to turn away from Sarah Palin and move to substantive differences between the tickets, what are the specific Obama/Biden proposals you are against?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I don’t like Palin’s accent or voice. But that’s just what my ears think. I don’t hold that against her at all. [/quote]
I don’t hold it against her either.
Some of my best friends are porch honkeys. I make fun of them too.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Christine wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
<<< It wouldn’t be annoying if she didn’t intentionally play it up so much. And if she didn’t act like she had cornered the market on ‘down home appeal.’
I believe you may be even more annoyed to learn that she probably isn’t playing it up at all. I lived in Valdez for 5 months in 1989 and that’s pretty much how they talk. At least the ones who’ve been there a long time.
How in the hell could you take it without duct taping everyone’s mouth shut?
It is a little bit like being stuck in a bad 50s movie or Glinda from Wizard of Oz…
Funny, as I looked at Bidens really bad face lift…or whatever sort of work that didn’t pan out too well on his face…and his hair plugs, I couldn’t help but think of a horror movie. He could play Dr. Evil in some sort of Bond thriller. No really…did anyone catch those glances of his? I expected the evil laugh at any moment.
I said it before…the guy is creepy looking.
[/quote]
I agree.
Palin is prettier than Biden. 
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Huh. I’m the opposite. I thought Biden overplayed the urban routine. It just came off like he was trying to be too “Big City.”
How so? I thought he barely mentioned it. He did talk about Scranton a bit. Probably not as much as he should have.
Just the way he spoke and composed himself. Very “big city.”
That’s just the way he is. He wasn’t talking about representing ‘America’s underprivileged urban youth.’ I don’t like Palin’s accent or voice. But that’s just what my ears think. I don’t hold that against her at all.
I have no problem with her background. Hell, I don’t even mind her mannerisms. Nothing wrong with a shoutout to the third graders her brother teaches. That’s fine. That’s human.
But ad nauseum references to Joe Six Pack and hockey moms? Come on. And can you really tell me, it wasn’t contrived when she started to ramble about parents at kids soccer games in response to a question about the economy?
I love soccer. I played soccer. Millions of kids across America have in the country and in suburbs have. People are really not so different from state to state and across different backgrounds as some might like to think.
No one really likes polished, stilted, career politicians. But is that really what you want to hear in response to a question about the economy? Is that a natural reference? That’s not natural imagery to call up when the simple answer is that the economy’s in trouble.
It’s just a transparent attempt to try and get all those soccer parents to identify with her.
Oh, I don’t think McCain or Palin are strong speaking about economic issues. But, after seeing the Obamessiah/Biden team brag about spending more money on liberal give aways while all this is going down? Tax and spend, now?
McCain hasn’t been particularly strong. Palin’s managed to avoid talking about the economy at all beyond saying that you know it’s bad because you can see the fear in the faces of parents at soccer games.
Which liberal giveaways? If we’re going to turn away from Sarah Palin and move to substantive differences between the tickets, what are the specific Obama/Biden proposals you are against?[/quote]
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/rural/
Take your time.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Christine wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
<<< It wouldn’t be annoying if she didn’t intentionally play it up so much. And if she didn’t act like she had cornered the market on ‘down home appeal.’
I believe you may be even more annoyed to learn that she probably isn’t playing it up at all. I lived in Valdez for 5 months in 1989 and that’s pretty much how they talk. At least the ones who’ve been there a long time.
How in the hell could you take it without duct taping everyone’s mouth shut?
It is a little bit like being stuck in a bad 50s movie or Glinda from Wizard of Oz…
Funny, as I looked at Bidens really bad face lift…or whatever sort of work that didn’t pan out too well on his face…and his hair plugs, I couldn’t help but think of a horror movie.
He could play Dr. Evil in some sort of Bond thriller. No really…did anyone catch those glances of his? I expected the evil laugh at any moment.
I said it before…the guy is creepy looking.
[/quote]
True.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Huh. I’m the opposite. I thought Biden overplayed the urban routine. It just came off like he was trying to be too “Big City.”
How so? I thought he barely mentioned it. He did talk about Scranton a bit. Probably not as much as he should have.
Just the way he spoke and composed himself. Very “big city.”
That’s just the way he is. He wasn’t talking about representing ‘America’s underprivileged urban youth.’ I don’t like Palin’s accent or voice. But that’s just what my ears think. I don’t hold that against her at all. I have no problem with her background.
Hell, I don’t even mind her mannerisms. Nothing wrong with a shoutout to the third graders her brother teaches. That’s fine. That’s human. But ad nauseum references to Joe Six Pack and hockey moms? Come on.
And can you really tell me, it wasn’t contrived when she started to ramble about parents at kids soccer games in response to a question about the economy? I love soccer. I played soccer. Millions of kids across America have in the country and in suburbs have.
People are really not so different from state to state and across different backgrounds as some might like to think. No one really likes polished, stilted, career politicians. But is that really what you want to hear in response to a question about the economy?
Is that a natural reference? That’s not natural imagery to call up when the simple answer is that the economy’s in trouble. It’s just a transparent attempt to try and get all those soccer parents to identify with her.
Oh, I don’t think McCain or Palin are strong speaking about economic issues. But, after seeing the Obamessiah/Biden team brag about spending more money on liberal give aways while all this is going down? Tax and spend, now?
McCain hasn’t been particularly strong. Palin’s managed to avoid talking about the economy at all beyond saying that you know it’s bad because you can see the fear in the faces of parents at soccer games.
Which liberal giveaways? If we’re going to turn away from Sarah Palin and move to substantive differences between the tickets, what are the specific Obama/Biden proposals you are against?
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/rural/
Take your time.[/quote]
You know that’s not what I was asking…I know what his plans are. What are your beefs with each initiative and what would you otherwise prefer in its place? You don’t have to answer if you don’t want, though.
This is way beyond the scope of an internet forum. It’s also Friday night and this kind of discussion would extend way past going out time. Probably best belongs in a separate thread as well.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
rainjack wrote:
…I am not making a mountain out of anything. You said she over played her home town shtick. I said she isn’t. Push said she isn’t. You are a yankee with no clue about rural life…
Obviously, I agree. She is NOT acting. That IS her that you see. She was born (Sandpoint, Idaho) about a two hour drive from where I live. She lives in a town (Wasilla, AK) that I used to live in. She is the real thing. What you see is the real thing.
Left Coasters and big city Yankees can yap all they want about how quaint she is but a lot of that type shit was lobbed at Reagan too. It didn’t work then either.[/quote]
The problem isn’t that she’s quaint. The problem is that she knows virtually nothing about the rest of the world. She clearly knows nothing about Afghanistan, or air strikes, or that this might be a problem in a counterinsurgency campaign.
As others have noted, if a Democrat had been in the same position, the right wing press would have howled that he knew nothing about national security and was unfit to be vice president. And they would probably have been right.
The comparisons to Reagan are moronic. He was making substantive foreign policy speeches in 1964, almost twenty years before he made it to the White House. She is so clearly scripted on the subject that it’s painful to watch. You’d think conservatives would be opposed to identity politics. Guess not.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I don’t like Palin’s accent or voice. But that’s just what my ears think. I don’t hold that against her at all.
I don’t hold it against her either.
Some of my best friends are porch honkeys. I make fun of them too.
I’ll bet they’re not bad at making fun of you either.[/quote]
Yep. That’s what friends are for.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Christine wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Dissect it anyway you want, she has charisma.
I completely disagree with this statement.
If she has charisma, why do I have the urge to strangle her until her eyes pop out.
I’m really not a violent person.
Pretty girls don’t like other pretty girls.
Depends. My wife LOVES her. I think its cute.
And why does she love her? Because she’s every womans sister, every daughters Mom, every older ladies daughter and every mans fantasty…Or maybe just mine…
[/quote]
She thinks Palin comes off as sincere, likable, and non-bitchy (in contrast to the pantsuited horror running for the Dem nomination).
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Huh. I’m the opposite. I thought Biden overplayed the urban routine. It just came off like he was trying to be too “Big City.”
How so? I thought he barely mentioned it. He did talk about Scranton a bit. Probably not as much as he should have.
Yeah. He mentions a restaurant on Union street that has been closed for 25 years.
I think he should have played up his 35 years of insulation from real life as much as possible, as well.
At least he knows how many homes he has and doesn’t think you have to have more than $5 million to be more than middle class. [/quote]
What does that have to do with the debate?
But if we are going that route - he may not know how many homes, but McCain knows how many states we have in the union, as well as the fact that there were no TV’s in 1929, or that FDR was still 3 years from being president.
And I’m pretty damn sure he would know that the and France were never in Lebanon to kick out Hezbulah.
I’d hope McCain would know where his job description is found in the constitution.
Biden gaffed way more than Palin did.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
The problem isn’t that she’s quaint. The problem is that she knows virtually nothing about the rest of the world. She clearly knows nothing about Afghanistan, or air strikes, or that this might be a problem in a counterinsurgency campaign.
As others have noted, if a Democrat had been in the same position, the right wing press would have howled that he knew nothing about national security and was unfit to be vice president. And they would probably have been right.
The comparisons to Reagan are moronic. He was making substantive foreign policy speeches in 1964, almost twenty years before he made it to the White House. She is so clearly scripted on the subject that it’s painful to watch. You’d think conservatives would be opposed to identity politics. Guess not.
A-fucking men.
You want quant, go find someone that sells antuques. You want a VP, don’t go to fuckin alaska.[/quote]
Because Delaware is such a much better place - if you want cry-on-demand liars being “just a heartbeat away”.
Fucking bawl bag little pussy. Palin should have went over to his podium and knocked the fuck out of him for tearing up.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Huh. I’m the opposite. I thought Biden overplayed the urban routine. It just came off like he was trying to be too “Big City.”
How so? I thought he barely mentioned it. He did talk about Scranton a bit. Probably not as much as he should have.
Just the way he spoke and composed himself. Very “big city.”
That’s just the way he is. He wasn’t talking about representing ‘America’s underprivileged urban youth.’ I don’t like Palin’s accent or voice. But that’s just what my ears think. I don’t hold that against her at all. I have no problem with her background.
Hell, I don’t even mind her mannerisms. Nothing wrong with a shoutout to the third graders her brother teaches. That’s fine. That’s human. But ad nauseum references to Joe Six Pack and hockey moms? Come on.
And can you really tell me, it wasn’t contrived when she started to ramble about parents at kids soccer games in response to a question about the economy? I love soccer. I played soccer. Millions of kids across America have in the country and in suburbs have.
People are really not so different from state to state and across different backgrounds as some might like to think. No one really likes polished, stilted, career politicians. But is that really what you want to hear in response to a question about the economy?
Is that a natural reference? That’s not natural imagery to call up when the simple answer is that the economy’s in trouble. It’s just a transparent attempt to try and get all those soccer parents to identify with her.
Oh, I don’t think McCain or Palin are strong speaking about economic issues. But, after seeing the Obamessiah/Biden team brag about spending more money on liberal give aways while all this is going down? Tax and spend, now?
McCain hasn’t been particularly strong. Palin’s managed to avoid talking about the economy at all beyond saying that you know it’s bad because you can see the fear in the faces of parents at soccer games.
Which liberal giveaways? If we’re going to turn away from Sarah Palin and move to substantive differences between the tickets, what are the specific Obama/Biden proposals you are against?
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/rural/
Take your time.
You know that’s not what I was asking…I know what his plans are. What are your beefs with each initiative and what would you otherwise prefer in its place? You don’t have to answer if you don’t want, though.
This is way beyond the scope of an internet forum. It’s also Friday night and this kind of discussion would extend way past going out time. Probably best belongs in a separate thread as well.[/quote]
I’ll make it simple. It’s not neccessary to go through each initiative, because I object to many of his “initiatives” for the same reasons over and over: Redistribution, welfarism, spending, more bureaucracy…hell, socialism.
But, a few examples, “Obama and Biden will fully fund the Community Development Block Grant program and engage with urban leaders across the country to increase resources to the highest-need Americans.”
“Supports Affordable Housing Trust Fund: Obama has supported efforts to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund to develop affordable housing in mixed-income neighborhoods.”
You can look through the links and see all the wonderful things his government will spend our money (will he be borrowing it from China) on. How about instead of bragging about how much government will spend on his pet charity programs, we cut spending.
No, not just slowing spending. How about actually CUTTING spending and the already bloated , overreaching, wasteful government. Tax/Borrow and spend? This is his solution, during the mess we’re in now?