The Official Rap Music Thread

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
meangenes wrote:

Who says the use of the N-word amongst blacks is denigrating? As with everything it would depend on context.

Yes, I agree context is important. But, when you float the N word out to the general public, as rappers do when they sell their music in the market place, the N word then becomes played into tens of thousands of white homes. Are whites then supposed to forget what they’ve heard? I’m guessing it’s not quite that easy.

Once a word has been repeated enough times it becomes part of the general language used by those hearing it. Then when a white person uses the N word…well you know the end result.

I’m proud that certain rappers would use it. Some of these rappers are people to look up to and the common bond the N-word signifies denotes our obvious likeness.

Are there many black rappers that are worthy of emulation? I can’t think of any, but if you say that they’re there I’ll take your word for it. Tell me what is it about them that makes you want to “look up to them”. I’m just curious if you don’t mind.

Implying that the N-word sells records?

Personally, I don’t think that there is anything that the rap industry executives wouldn’t say, or do, in order to sell their products. I’m not thinking that they have what I’d call really high standards.

Do a historical comparative music study some time you might be surprised.

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Your points would have for standing if it wasn’t for your ignorance. You’re still implying that the N-word sells records. You obviously don’t listen to rap,so why would any of us honor your blind opinions? Why did you post here? You did read the title of the thread,correct?

Anyways,what exactly is a “historical” comparitve music study going to prove? How can you generalize Rap over all as a bad influence when Rock n Roll had/has its share of “bad influences” and I think its safe to say that Rock n Roll lyrics and lifestyles influenced a big part of Rap artist anyways.

Rock n Roll is all holy? Come on. Your argument only apply’s to a small part of Rap/Hip-Hop. Do some research of your own.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
meangenes wrote:

Who says the use of the N-word amongst blacks is denigrating? As with everything it would depend on context.

Yes, I agree context is important. But, when you float the N word out to the general public, as rappers do when they sell their music in the market place, the N word then becomes played into tens of thousands of white homes. Are whites then supposed to forget what they’ve heard? I’m guessing it’s not quite that easy.

Once a word has been repeated enough times it becomes part of the general language used by those hearing it. Then when a white person uses the N word…well you know the end result.

I’m proud that certain rappers would use it. Some of these rappers are people to look up to and the common bond the N-word signifies denotes our obvious likeness.

Are there many black rappers that are worthy of emulation? I can’t think of any, but if you say that they’re there I’ll take your word for it. Tell me what is it about them that makes you want to “look up to them”. I’m just curious if you don’t mind.

Implying that the N-word sells records?

Personally, I don’t think that there is anything that the rap industry executives wouldn’t say, or do, in order to sell their products. I’m not thinking that they have what I’d call really high standards.

Do a historical comparative music study some time you might be surprised.

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You don’t listen to Hip Hop. Stop bickering about something that doesn’t concern you.

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david banner a person who uses the n word yet helps his own community out, david banner was the first artist of ANY GENRE too start helping the people of new Orleans out, holding benefit gigs trying too raise money

i’m surprised people are mentioning vakill, he is another favourite of mine, his last album was top 3 of the year and the guy keeps on improving with his flow and delivery

the only problem i have with immortal technique is he doesnt really flow on beat although he is showing signs of improving…

also i liked eminem up until mmlp, in australia eminem’s success seemed too make rap more accessible too the white public however i believe its due too the controversy down here i.e he’s evil and other propaganda that helped sky rocket his career

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Yeah, Worst Fears Confirmed is ridiculous. After Darkest Cloud, I wanted to hear him on a track with Ras, and he delivered. My second wish was a collabo with Pharoahe Monch, so I’m hoping he can bring that about for his next joint.

Technique’s second album was crack to me when it came out. Even if his technical ability is limited, he has the lyrical content, passionate delivery and ability to create images to make up for it. Middle Passage needs to drop. Yesterday. He’s done something with his voice I’m not quite sure how to respond to tho. Check him out on Killah Priest’s new album.

Eminem obviously had lyrical ability. I don’t see how that can be disputed within reason. Sure, he started his Dr. Seuss routine about the time 50 came into the picture, but from Rock Bottom to Kill You to Sing for the Moment, the man could write some songs.

Anybody into the QN5 camp at all? Tonedeff’s Archetype is the obvious standout album and he’s the standout rapper, but the Extended F@mm and Cunninlynguists albums are great as well.

As for the N-word debate, it’s hardly a musical issue (rather a cultural one) so I don’t see a reason for it taking up space in a music thread…

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I think the main thing wrong with hiphop today is that it’s just about rappers bragging about how great they are because of how much money and pussy they get.

‘Guns, bitches, hoes and bling’, I think that’s what it’s all about. Oh yeah, and weed too.

The great majority of standard mainstream hiphop videos have the obligatory booty girls shaking their asses and titties, with the rapper showing off wads of cash, their flash cars and brand name shoes and clothing.

It’s a sad state of affairs, really, that hiphop has become an advertising vehicle for material goods.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Your points would have for standing if it wasn’t for your ignorance.

Ignorant about rap music?

Thanks!

:slight_smile:

You’re still implying that the N-word sells records.

Okay seriously, why do the put the N word in if it doesn’t sell records?

Do you think they’re trying to chase business away?

Not hardly.

You obviously don’t listen to rap,so why would any of us honor your blind opinions?

No I don’t listen to rap on a regular basis. But, sometimes I find myself in a position where I have to listen to it…and that sucks greatly.

Why did you post here? You did read the title of the thread,correct?

The original poster was asking opinions scroll back. I guess he didn’t check with you first.

Anyways,what exactly is a “historical” comparitve music study going to prove?

To you? Probably not much.

How can you generalize Rap over all as a bad influence when Rock n Roll had/has its share of “bad influences” and I think its safe to say that Rock n Roll lyrics and lifestyles influenced a big part of Rap artist anyways.

In general maybe. But overall I’d say rap has it beat by a wide margin in terms of being a bad influence.

Rock n Roll is all holy? Come on.

Oh darn you better reread what I wrote, I never said that.

Your argument only apply’s to a small part of Rap/Hip-Hop. Do some research of your own.

You first.

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Say it with me boys and girls…“THE OFFICIAL RAP MUSIC THREAD.” Your ignorance has let to some misunderstanding. In regards to JTG987, I think he wanted to know what other rap music everybody listens to. You can argue if you want,but since the title is “THE OFFICIAL RAP MUSIC THREAD” it safe to say this is a discussion of rap music. You would of saved yourself some trouble if you had paid attention. Its ok,ignorance blinds us all sometimes. God still loves you.

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
I think the main thing wrong with hiphop today is that it’s just about rappers bragging about how great they are because of how much money and pussy they get.

‘Guns, bitches, hoes and bling’, I think that’s what it’s all about. Oh yeah, and weed too.

The great majority of standard mainstream hiphop videos have the obligatory booty girls shaking their asses and titties, with the rapper showing off wads of cash, their flash cars and brand name shoes and clothing.

It’s a sad state of affairs, really, that hiphop has become an advertising vehicle for material goods.[/quote]

You are on point. Reflecting on earlier posts about “N-word”, you know it is hard to discuss rap music without bringing up cultural topics. The majority of artists are not talking about shit but what you mentioned.

Thats why an artist like 50 Cent sounds so uninspired. His only inspiration is a lavish lifestyle. He lacks passion. Thats why I still listen to old Tupac music. He always sounded inspired. You could almost feel his actual emotions. Thats why I think his music was listened to by all races,age groups,etc.

You just don’t have that anymore in artists. I like Kanye…he’s inspired,but his passion is slowly developing into some narcissism…evident when he doesn’t win awards or gets the “respect” he feels he should win.

But we all know that the most inspired or passionate music artists throughout history were also some of the craziest,self-absorbed people. Its all about the music…which is fine. I just wish we had more artists with substance.

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BB, true dat.

The only thing that makes Fiddy’s music worthwhile listening to is the slick production by Dr. Dre - the “original, subliminal, subterranean, titanium, criminal-minded” mastermind behind gangsta rap.

It takes a really good beat to hide 50 Cent’s mediocre skills. I would liken his music to cheap Chinese food - it tastes good, but there’s so much special sauce on it that you can’t tell if the pork is rancid or not.

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Sticking with just good music, go out and buy Aesop Rock’s new album None Shall Pass. It’s sick. I can’t stop listening to “The Harbor Is Yours.”

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
BB, true dat.

The only thing that makes Fiddy’s music worthwhile listening to is the slick production by Dr. Dre - the “original, subliminal, subterranean, titanium, criminal-minded” mastermind behind gangsta rap.

It takes a really good beat to hide 50 Cent’s mediocre skills. I would liken his music to cheap Chinese food - it tastes good, but there’s so much special sauce on it that you can’t tell if the pork is rancid or not.[/quote]

lol…i would have never thought about it that way. You got it right on point. I take it you’ve eaten a lot of cheap Chinese food…lol.

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Commons new album Finding Forever. That guy is one of the most inspired artist of all times. I’ve been a Common fan since he was Common Sense. I’d pit him up against anyone lyrically, ANYONE. Nothing but reality, consistency, growth and POSITIVITY!

Kanye is also his right hand man so it kinda helps his production. Just a little.

Can’t pass on None Shall Pass either. Talk about an artist man! Or maybe just too much LSD, either way. Still vibrates positivity and reality; well it’s safe to say that Aesop definitely conveys his own reality, different from everyone else (hip hop is not dead!) through his music.

Anyone ever hear of a guy named Ohmega Watts? I just picked up on him about a month ago. He’s real good to not be heard of. Check him out.

The topic is The Official Rap Music Thread, not Micky act like an ignoramus.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
meangenes wrote:

The topic is The Official Rap Music Thread, not Micky act like an ignoramus.

I know it’s hard to deal with conflicting opinions. But when you grow up someday you’ll have to deal with them, might as well start now since the original poster asked for opinions.

Enjoy your thread.

:slight_smile:

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The original poster asked what do you listen to, he did not ask “what sucks ass?”. So stop being a bitch and hiding behind the question of the Original Poster.

Nobody cares if you have conflicting opinions, just the ignorance, stupidity, and pettyness of a 5 year old that you consistently display. Paragraph retorts stating nothing between each line of a quote is sickening.

Your remarks are ignorant because as you admitted you know nothing about Rap music. Then you compound it by being too stupid to see past your ignorance as people try to educate you on the topic, and petty with your 40 million responses. So I can not for the life of me figure out why you are telling other people to grow up when you can’t state your opinions with class and without bitching.

The “N” word does not sell records, if it did Eminem would never have sold diamond. The majority of the highest selling rap albums contain little to no use of the word. I’m sure that is the only part of the songs you do hear though since as lauryn hill said " I add a motherfucka so all you ignant Ni@@as hear me."

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
You just don’t have that anymore in artists. I like Kanye…he’s inspired,but his passion is slowly developing into some narcissism…evident when he doesn’t win awards or gets the “respect” he feels he should win.

But we all know that the most inspired or passionate music artists throughout history were also some of the craziest,self-absorbed people. Its all about the music…which is fine. I just wish we had more artists with substance.[/quote]

Did you hear Kanye speak on why he was mad?

As to Meangenes, I’d take Kanye and Andre 3000’s lyrics over commons any day.

Personally I think the only thing wrong with hip-hop is that everybody forgets that its entertainment even the rappers themselves. We hate the guys bragging about chains but most of them are either fake, or come off when the video is over(Minus a few).

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
As to Meangenes, I’d take Kanye and Andre 3000’s lyrics over commons any day. [/quote]

Andre Benjamin is dope as hell too. I happen to like Commons persona a bit more though. It’s a little bit more northern grass roots and less spacey. I was going to say Common along side of Andre Benjamin in my original post.

Kanye is less confident than Common. For obvious reasons and he exploits his weaknesses too much. Yes, that is acceptable, I just don’t like that he contradicts it. “We all self conscious I’m just the first to admit it.” Still love the guy as a musician though. Just why I’d take Common over Kanye.

I would really like to see collabs from.
Andre Benjamin - Common
Kanye West - MF DOOM

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Did you hear Kanye speak on why he was mad?

Link?

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I heard it on another station earlier today where he condensed it and only talked about that issue. The link below is kind of long I think you can skip through half way and hear what he has to say.

Summary. European VMA’s they flat out lied and told he him would win an award to get him to perform.

U.S. VMA’s he felt he should have had the opportunity to perform his hit single on the mainstage. As much as advertised kanye, I and most people I know were waiting to see his performance. I know I don’t represent the entire mainstream America, but I’m a hundred percent positive more people wanted to see Kanye perform than Nicole PussyCatDoll.

http://media.hot97.com/_SHARED/podcasts/missjones_kanyewest_91007_2.mp3