[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Regardless, he never “converted” as you claimed.
OBAMA IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM
Obama never prayed in a mosque.
He was not raised a Muslim.
Barack Hussein Obama was born a Muslim according to Muslim law. He was not born a Christian. He was baptized as an adult in 1988. This is a conversion from a non-practicing Muslim to Christianity. I do not see how this can be disputed.
He was not a Muslim in any sense that an American Christian would recognize. The argument you are making (originally aired by Edward Luttwak, in the NYT I think) is either silly or deliberately deceptive.
He is a Muslim according to Muslim law and tradition, just as the offspring of a Jewish mother is Jewish.
I am not sure how anyone can see it any other way.
Now you’re being deliberately obtuse. As I said, he was not a Muslim in any sense that a Christian would recognize as being an adherent of a faith. The charge that Obama is a former or crypto-Muslim is being made in bad faith, to somehow impute sympathy to Islamic extremism to him, just like the Hamas “endorsement.”
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Bad faith? By Muslim law and tradition he was a Muslim. What bad faith is that?
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But then, you’re the guy who won’t let go on Kerry’s freakin Purple Heart.[/quote]
If only he hadn’t written about it in his journal then there would be no question. Unfortunately he did.
As a professional illustrator (and without any judgment on bad taste or otherwise) that drawing just plain sucks! Weak line-work, poor color handling, goofy composition. Just a shitty effort on the artist’s part.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
As a professional illustrator (and without any judgment on bad taste or otherwise) that drawing just plain sucks! Weak line-work, poor color handling, goofy composition. Just a shitty effort on the artist’s part.[/quote]
It is the New Yorker. It is supposed to be wishy washy. You are just not intellectual enough to understand.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
As a professional illustrator (and without any judgment on bad taste or otherwise) that drawing just plain sucks! Weak line-work, poor color handling, goofy composition. Just a shitty effort on the artist’s part.
It is the New Yorker. It is supposed to be wishy washy. You are just not intellectual enough to understand. [/quote]
[quote]Magnate wrote:
lixy wrote:
I am not sure how anyone could relate genetics to faith.
Most religions like to.[/quote]
Eh? I don’t know a single major religion that emphasizes lineage and blood over work and dedication. To say that a person’s religion is determined by his/her parents is totally absurd. It defies common sense.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Magnate wrote:
lixy wrote:
I am not sure how anyone could relate genetics to faith.
Most religions like to.
Eh? I don’t know a single major religion that emphasizes lineage and blood over work and dedication. [/quote]
Who said that?
JUDAISM.
When a baby is baptized, it’s religion is being chosen by the parent. That child will grow up for many years hearing no other religious view points except for the ones it hears in its church (most likely). It will come to accept that as truth without hearing other beliefs. How is this a case of anything but its religion being chosen by its parents?
Edit: Laptop battery was about to die, had to submit that early.
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I can ask any of my Catholic friends why they are catholic, I have always gotten a response “because my parents are”. Once I was told that he went to church and Religious Ed classes (once a week, everyone seems to hate them) because his parents made him. Family plays a larger role in what religion you are than you seem to think, either that or you overestimate how closely people pay attention to their church and their professed beliefs. Most of the Catholics I know stopped going to church after they were confirmed into it, apparently no longer have to go - they still call themselves Catholics though.
I think overall you are overestimating how much belief and faith actually goes into the Religions people pledge themselves to, it seems much more casual to them than the terms imply.
If he can’t handle that, he’ll be fucked as a president…Every night somewhere the president, who ever it is at the time, is made fun of every night. I thought the picture was funny anyway, but he needs to thicken up…I’d hate to see him cry over people making fun of him. That would indicate he is the pussy I think he is.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Magnate wrote:
lixy wrote:
I am not sure how anyone could relate genetics to faith.
Most religions like to.
Eh? I don’t know a single major religion that emphasizes lineage and blood over work and dedication. To say that a person’s religion is determined by his/her parents is totally absurd. It defies common sense. [/quote]
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Regardless, he never “converted” as you claimed.
OBAMA IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM
Obama never prayed in a mosque.
He was not raised a Muslim.
Barack Hussein Obama was born a Muslim according to Muslim law. He was not born a Christian. He was baptized as an adult in 1988. This is a conversion from a non-practicing Muslim to Christianity. I do not see how this can be disputed.
I didn’t realize you followed Muslim law. I certainly don’t.
Try it. It is scary stuff.[/quote]
Hmmmm…I’ve always wanted to throw a rock at a woman.