[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You are the funniest guy on here.
Yeah tinfoil right?[/quote]
What on earth does that have to do with the topic of NUDGING? You missed the mark, big time big boy…whether it was intentional or not I will leave you to defend, but if you want to argue about unreasonable 4th amendment violations, then you should start that in your own thread instead of trying to divert the topic at hand.[/quote]
Funny boy. Now get out of the pool.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Again, you ignoring the entire point that freedom =/= having the government “nudge” you in any direction what so ever.
It isn’t government’s place to tell me, you or anyone how to live their life. [/quote]
Well somebody sure as shit needs to…if all these fuckers that are always whining about “personal responsibility” would actually take some it wouldn’t be fucking necessary…
Thread: Bunch of people worried the government, who has no authority to do this in the first place, will abuse this power, if not today, but down the road…
Person A: Tin foil hat morons. The government won’t abuse this power.
Person B: Posts a blatant abuse of government power, that is absurd on every level
Person A: That has nothing to do with the topic, 4th amendment violations don’t count
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Again, you ignoring the entire point that freedom =/= having the government “nudge” you in any direction what so ever.
It isn’t government’s place to tell me, you or anyone how to live their life. [/quote]
Well somebody sure as shit needs to…if all these fuckers that are always whining about “personal responsibility” would actually take some it wouldn’t be fucking necessary…[/quote]
It isn’t necessary, the government has no authority to do it, and nobody needs to do it.
No one said life was easy. No one said freedom was easy.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
if all these fuckers that are always whining about “personal responsibility” would actually take some it wouldn’t be fucking necessary…[/quote]
You think is it is % of poor people that vote red that are the sole problem? Or can you just not let your bias and need for insult enter every post you make?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Thread: Bunch of people worried the government, who has no authority to do this in the first place, will abuse this power, if not today, but down the road…
Person A: Tin foil hat morons. The government won’t abuse this power.
Person B: Posts a blatant abuse of government power, that is absurd on every level
Person A: That has nothing to do with the topic, 4th amendment violations don’t count
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Oh give me a fucking break beans…i’m not going to sit here and defend every single fucked up thing the government might do in one thread…the topic was about NUDGING, and what that may lead to…personally I can see a pretty clear distinction between the two, and I’m betting that you can too but didn’t have anything to actually argue about on topic so you chose the low road…this seems pretty evident since you didn’t address anything I actually said that was, you know, ON TOPIC.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
if all these fuckers that are always whining about “personal responsibility” would actually take some it wouldn’t be fucking necessary…[/quote]
You think is it is % of poor people that vote red that are the sole problem? Or can you just not let your bias and need for insult enter every post you make?[/quote]
LOL when’s the last time you visited the deep south? I grew up in the mountains of Appalachia big boy…it was about as red as you can be…you would think there would be, by god, millionaires with all that personal responsibility going on…but I reckon the government just came on in and took it…it wasn’t that they didn’t have shit to begin with…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
It isn’t necessary, the government has no authority to do it, and nobody needs to do it.
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Alexander Hamilton would likely disagree with you, as would many other Federalists…It’s cool you disagree though…I’m just glad that the majority are on the right side of the debate.
general welfare and enumerated powers and necessary and proper and blah blah blah blah blah…
going to go live my e-life outside now…ciao
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
I’m betting that you can too but didn’t have anything to actually argue about on topic so you chose the low road…this seems pretty evident since you didn’t address anything I actually said that was, you know, ON TOPIC.[/quote]
This coming from a person who posts “lol” and then a bunch of dat ad hom, after I made more than one on topic post in this thread.
You want to talk about “nudging” only? Fine:
So we are to assume you would have zero objection to this program if a Republican administration was in control of it?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
going to go live my e-life outside now…ciao[/quote]
Please point out where Hamilton advocated the Federal government telling people how to live their day-to-day lives.
Also, given the quote you just made, and citing the typical statist response of “general welfare” clause, please define the general welfare, and how this program accomplishes that without infringing on natural rights.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
I grew up in the mountains of Appalachia big boy…it was about as red as you can be…you would think there would be, by god, millionaires with all that personal responsibility going on…but I reckon the government just came on in and took it…it wasn’t that they didn’t have shit to begin with…[/quote]
lol…
Can you make a single post without putting someone down either directly or indirectly?
Serious question: does putting others down make you feel elevated?
Like some have argued this isn’t really anything new government has been creating incentives for certain behaviors in all sorts of sectors for a long time. Subsidies, sin taxes, banning online poker, tax breaks for children, etc you could come up with a million more examples of nudging.
I’m not anymore scared of where nudging might lead than anything else big government might lead to. We have the government the majority of us want. While I may not agree with it, I find it hard to believe that people think a big government isn’t something Americans are for. The last two Presidents have expanded government greatly and both got re-elected. Tells me most people aren’t thinking like I am. Bitch and moan about it all day long, but we have the government we want. We keep electing the fuckers.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Like some have argued this isn’t really anything new government has been creating incentives for certain behaviors in all sorts of sectors for a long time. Subsidies, sin taxes, banning online poker, tax breaks for children, etc you could come up with a million more examples of nudging.
I’m not anymore scared of where nudging might lead than anything else big government might lead to. We have the government the majority of us want. While I may not agree with it, I find it hard to believe that people think a big government isn’t something Americans are for. The last two Presidents have expanded government greatly and both got re-elected. Tells me most people aren’t thinking like I am. Bitch and moan about it all day long, but we have the government we want. We keep electing the fuckers. [/quote]
Would people even notice if they were effectively nudged to want this government?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Like some have argued this isn’t really anything new government has been creating incentives for certain behaviors in all sorts of sectors for a long time. Subsidies, sin taxes, banning online poker, tax breaks for children, etc you could come up with a million more examples of nudging.
I’m not anymore scared of where nudging might lead than anything else big government might lead to. We have the government the majority of us want. While I may not agree with it, I find it hard to believe that people think a big government isn’t something Americans are for. The last two Presidents have expanded government greatly and both got re-elected. Tells me most people aren’t thinking like I am. Bitch and moan about it all day long, but we have the government we want. We keep electing the fuckers. [/quote]
Would people even notice if they were effectively nudged to want this government?[/quote]
It’s an interesting thought. I think at some point our freedom has just be breaking down to the point where people don’t really care that much about it. They accept the status quo because damn it life isn’t that bad for most people in the USA. We have fast internet, AC, PS3’s, pizza, etc. I just think the more comfortable people get the less engaged they are in the process. Forget the news we have Honey Boo Boo recorded and we aren’t caught up with Duck Dynasty or the Bachelor yet.
People care when it directly effects them in a way they feel it. If you were a teacher and you lost your job because of a policy you might care. If you’re a farmer and something passes that is bad for you you might care. If you own a business and say a health care law effects you as an owner you might care 
Doesn’t directly effect one of us? Hey sucks for that guy.
But in general I think we want a big government. After 9/11 we had to go get the bad guys. Expand the military. Erode freedoms. Patriot Act. Hey bad people are out there. The what about our freedom crowd wasn’t very vocal. Something like Sandy or Katrina happens and people clamor for the government. Economic crisis and everyone wants the government to fix it. Stimulus checks. Cash for clunkers. Bailouts.
It’s what the majority wants. I think most Americans are comfortable and when they hear a problem they want the government to make it go away so we can get back to Call of Duty.
I’m just rambling like a lunatic though so who knows.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Like some have argued this isn’t really anything new government has been creating incentives for certain behaviors in all sorts of sectors for a long time. Subsidies, sin taxes, banning online poker, tax breaks for children, etc you could come up with a million more examples of nudging.
I’m not anymore scared of where nudging might lead than anything else big government might lead to. We have the government the majority of us want. While I may not agree with it, I find it hard to believe that people think a big government isn’t something Americans are for. The last two Presidents have expanded government greatly and both got re-elected. Tells me most people aren’t thinking like I am. Bitch and moan about it all day long, but we have the government we want. We keep electing the fuckers. [/quote]
Would people even notice if they were effectively nudged to want this government?[/quote]
It’s an interesting thought. I think at some point our freedom has just be breaking down to the point where people don’t really care that much about it. They accept the status quo because damn it life isn’t that bad for most people in the USA. We have fast internet, AC, PS3’s, pizza, etc. I just think the more comfortable people get the less engaged they are in the process. Forget the news we have Honey Boo Boo recorded and we aren’t caught up with Duck Dynasty or the Bachelor yet.
People care when it directly effects them in a way they feel it. If you were a teacher and you lost your job because of a policy you might care. If you’re a farmer and something passes that is bad for you you might care. If you own a business and say a health care law effects you as an owner you might care Doesn’t directly effect one of us? Hey sucks for that guy.
But in general I think we want a big government. After 9/11 we had to go get the bad guys. Expand the military. Erode freedoms. Patriot Act. Hey bad people are out there. The what about our freedom crowd wasn’t very vocal. Something like Sandy or Katrina happens and people clamor for the government. Economic crisis and everyone wants the government to fix it. Stimulus checks. Cash for clunkers. Bailouts.
It’s what the majority wants. I think most Americans are comfortable and when they hear a problem they want the government to make it go away so we can get back to Call of Duty.
I’m just rambling like a lunatic though so who knows. [/quote]
Nah, you make good points. I don’t have time to go into them right now though. Not that I would largely disagree.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Like some have argued this isn’t really anything new government has been creating incentives for certain behaviors in all sorts of sectors for a long time. Subsidies, sin taxes, banning online poker, tax breaks for children, etc you could come up with a million more examples of nudging.
I’m not anymore scared of where nudging might lead than anything else big government might lead to. We have the government the majority of us want. While I may not agree with it, I find it hard to believe that people think a big government isn’t something Americans are for. The last two Presidents have expanded government greatly and both got re-elected. Tells me most people aren’t thinking like I am. Bitch and moan about it all day long, but we have the government we want. We keep electing the fuckers. [/quote]
Would people even notice if they were effectively nudged to want this government?[/quote]
It’s an interesting thought. I think at some point our freedom has just be breaking down to the point where people don’t really care that much about it. They accept the status quo because damn it life isn’t that bad for most people in the USA. We have fast internet, AC, PS3’s, pizza, etc. I just think the more comfortable people get the less engaged they are in the process. Forget the news we have Honey Boo Boo recorded and we aren’t caught up with Duck Dynasty or the Bachelor yet.
People care when it directly effects them in a way they feel it. If you were a teacher and you lost your job because of a policy you might care. If you’re a farmer and something passes that is bad for you you might care. If you own a business and say a health care law effects you as an owner you might care Doesn’t directly effect one of us? Hey sucks for that guy.
But in general I think we want a big government. After 9/11 we had to go get the bad guys. Expand the military. Erode freedoms. Patriot Act. Hey bad people are out there. The what about our freedom crowd wasn’t very vocal. Something like Sandy or Katrina happens and people clamor for the government. Economic crisis and everyone wants the government to fix it. Stimulus checks. Cash for clunkers. Bailouts.
It’s what the majority wants. I think most Americans are comfortable and when they hear a problem they want the government to make it go away so we can get back to Call of Duty.
I’m just rambling like a lunatic though so who knows. [/quote]
Well, H, I gotta give it to you on that one. You didn’t screw up anywhere this time.
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We’ve seen eye to eye on many occasions, we just remember the times we don’t more.