here are some truth from the great professor. enjoy.
chomsky on the political system.
Here are some truths from another great professor, with the added benefit that he speaks about his area of expertise:
Thank you Orion. Why anyone would want to quote Chomsky is beyond me.
The greed idea is the ultimate bullshit with capitalists, idiotic to the point of absurdity.
Yes, the host brings forth some nonsense points but:
Einstein didn’t do his build his discoveries because of greed.
If you want to have ONE characteristic on which our society thrives, you should pick fame or glory, or maybe even nerdyness, not greed.
Unfettered, clumsy and primitve greed is the root of our current economical crisis. Plain and simple.
Defending greed is like defending violence or lust.
These are powerful manifestations of our base behaviour.
But to crown them as kings of our society is plain dumb.
Apart from that: Friedman wasn’t bad in general, as was/is Chomsky.
I, for one, miss such an intellectual in the german-speaking hemisphere. Even if I don’t agree with him.
We need refined theories of how to cope with (economical) problems. (I’m still waiting for that one guy from the economy thread who promised a link to intelligent, self-adjusting systems)
Greed is not good.
Call it what you want, self interest, greed etc., but it is good. The desire to make a bazillion creates jobs and services which improve our lives. But a euro weenie socialist who sits while he pees would not understand that.
The worst, most dangerous type of greed is the greed which is disguised at “helping people”, confiscating someone’s property and giving it to someone else to empower you and keep you in power by creating a dependency class.
This is what liberals do. And like the poor aren’t greedy. I treat poor people and if I was going to pick a greedy, lazy group, they would win hands down compared to every other socioeconomic group.
Er, but the distinction is important, is it not?
It’s probably useless to argue with you, looking at your vague, childish insults.
Still, maybe for others who read the thread:
Greed is not self interest per se.
Greed, taken to the highest level, results in millionaires who fear poverty and strive for billions.
Everyone, save for a small fraction, experiences feelings of greed. Same as with lust for power, jaleousy or carnal lust.
So why set lust as the ideal sujet of economics? Don’t you wanna procreate?
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The worst, most dangerous type of greed is the greed which is disguised at “helping people”, confiscating someone’s property and giving it to someone else to empower you and keep you in power by creating a dependency class.[/quote]
so greed isn’t good per se? Strange watching someone deconstructing his own argument in the third sentence.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Thank you Orion. Why anyone would want to quote Chomsky is beyond me.[/quote]
Depends on the topic. Chomsky’s critique of the American government, or centers of power in general, are 100% accurate. One could learn much from him in that regard.
Economics…not so much and I would agree with you.
how is chomsky wrong, not one have made contraarguments against chomskys arguments in this thread. people have just stated that he is wrong without giving any arguments to why.
He says that the economy is the real thing and that the goverment is just a shadow of the economy. In other terms the people who controls the economy do also control the goverment.
[quote]orion wrote:
Here are some truths from another great professor, with the added benefit that he speaks about his area of expertise:
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the sovjet had an extrem growth from the 1930 to the 1960. this was under sentralplanning.
greed or self interresets are not the issue. If people was extremely greedy or egosentric,
they would not have been working for minimum wage why the owners was swimming in money. The thing
is this: the society is all ready very collectiv. everyone is depentent on each other. If one part of the
society fucks up, it will fuck up for every other part of the society. We work in groups. So why not rule the collectiv society togheter. Today a little class of rich rules the collectiv society.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Thank you Orion. Why anyone would want to quote Chomsky is beyond me.[/quote]
Depends on the topic. Chomsky’s critique of the American government, or centers of power in general, are 100% accurate. One could learn much from him in that regard.
Economics…not so much and I would agree with you.[/quote]
And yet at the same time he wants “more equality” which makes the government grow even more.
So now you have an even bigger government that will necessarily be bought by interest groups.
He wants two things at the same time that are completely irreconcilable.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Here are some truths from another great professor, with the added benefit that he speaks about his area of expertise:
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the sovjet had an extrem growth from the 1930 to the 1960. this was under sentralplanning.
greed or self interresets are not the issue. If people was extremely greedy or egosentric,
they would not have been working for minimum wage why the owners was swimming in money. The thing
is this: the society is all ready very collectiv. everyone is depentent on each other. If one part of the
society fucks up, it will fuck up for every other part of the society. We work in groups. So why not rule the collectiv society togheter. Today a little class of rich rules the collectiv society. [/quote]
Did you look at the video?
In order to escape the “tyranny” of corporations, of which there are many, with the very real tyranny of a government that controls nearly everything and has a standing army.
You would not make it better, you would make it far, far worse.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Thank you Orion. Why anyone would want to quote Chomsky is beyond me.[/quote]
Depends on the topic. Chomsky’s critique of the American government, or centers of power in general, are 100% accurate. One could learn much from him in that regard.
Economics…not so much and I would agree with you.[/quote]
And yet at the same time he wants “more equality” which makes the government grow even more.
So now you have an even bigger government that will necessarily be bought by interest groups.
He wants two things at the same time that are completely irreconcilable.[/quote]
chomsky is not in favor of a big goverment, but he is even more against privat power over the public.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Here are some truths from another great professor, with the added benefit that he speaks about his area of expertise:
[/quote]
the sovjet had an extrem growth from the 1930 to the 1960. this was under sentralplanning.
greed or self interresets are not the issue. If people was extremely greedy or egosentric,
they would not have been working for minimum wage why the owners was swimming in money. The thing
is this: the society is all ready very collectiv. everyone is depentent on each other. If one part of the
society fucks up, it will fuck up for every other part of the society. We work in groups. So why not rule the collectiv society togheter. Today a little class of rich rules the collectiv society. [/quote]
Did you look at the video?
In order to escape the “tyranny” of corporations, of which there are many, with the very real tyranny of a government that controls nearly everything and has a standing army.
You would not make it better, you would make it far, far worse.
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yes I did look at the video.
why would I make it worse, how is a democratic economy under direct control of the public trough a union of communes be worse than a sentralised state and the oligarky of the capitalist class? please enligthen me.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Thank you Orion. Why anyone would want to quote Chomsky is beyond me.[/quote]
Depends on the topic. Chomsky’s critique of the American government, or centers of power in general, are 100% accurate. One could learn much from him in that regard.
Economics…not so much and I would agree with you.[/quote]
And yet at the same time he wants “more equality” which makes the government grow even more.
So now you have an even bigger government that will necessarily be bought by interest groups.
He wants two things at the same time that are completely irreconcilable.[/quote]
chomsky is not in favor of a big goverment, but he is even more against privat power over the public.
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Yeah well, how would he like a more egalitarian society without the government?
Also, no private person holds any power over the pubic, you can always walk away from a deal.
Government however does not ask you nicely, they send men with guns that make you do whatever they want you to.