The Next President of the United States: IV

Perhaps. I think it is not quite that racial. I think it might actually be economics–at least in perception of the aforementioned group. The reason is that these same people you mention who are most at risk to lose their jobs are also LEAST equipped intellectually to understand that trade policy affects them materially. They do however understand someone getting jobs that could go to someone else. And, because they understand that part, that is where they focus their anger. In other words they simply don’t realize the implications you have so clearly laid out.

This is not to say everyone is like this, but statistically the same people you mention are the least likely to have an educational background, level, or job that puts them in position to understand trade policy as it pertains to them.

Gee, sounds eerily like some other speech I heard a while back…“this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”

C’mon, I expect this kind of airheaded drivel from Raj, but not you. You’re better than that.

Is our NASA program also just a subset of immigration because minorities will overwhelmingly vote Democratic and will therefore be more likely to push for space exploration? Be serious. This “butterfly effct” you’re attempting here to tie immigration to “all of the policy things” is fatuousness at its worst.

Nativists will try and make everything into some beef about immigration. And it’s making politics worse and more stupid.

Great points, and to be clear, I don’t think all working-class voters are motivated by a spirit of racial animus. And I think you’re right about people who are suffering economically misdirecting their anger at the “other guy”, and this is driven by a lack of understanding.

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“When the FBI asked her (Clinton) attorneys for these devices, for forensic analysis, they were informed that all of the devices were gone. “After Clinton switched to a new device, the previous incarnation would often disappear, and a former Bill Clinton aide, Justin Cooper, said he could recall two times he destroyed the old device either by breaking it in half or hitting it with a hammer,” according to CNN.”

https://latest.com/2016/09/hillary-clinton-used-13-different-mobile-devices-staff-literally-smashed-them-with-a-hammer/

I’m sure that the Clinton aids were ordered to smash the various phones with hammers because she didn’t want anyone finding out about her Yoga lessons, or her inquiries regarding her daughters wedding.

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Bernie Sanders has officially begun campaigning on Hillary Clinton’s behalf

HA HA HA HA HA

He’s going to run the everyman side while she courts the limousine liberals. Good strategy, actually. Hit the whole economic spectrum of the party.

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He has to earn the payoff.

One problem with that. His core followers despise the corrupt pants suit. And…many of them know he sold out.

Agree with Zeb.

This is why I think this election has two big “Wild Cards” whom are making things extremely hard to predict:

  1. Bernie Supporters and 2) “Closet” Trump Supporters.

How much both groups change the overall electoral map is anyone’s guess.

Eh, maybe. The difference I see in parties that could make the difference on election day is the Dems ability to act with cohesion. If Bernie can pull the extreme left into the fold, which I believe he can, as a party they will have a stronger showing.

More often than not, good enough beats perfect. Hillary isn’t perfect for the Bern crowd, but she’s probably good enough. Seems like a good many conservatives want either Perfect, or screw it. And since Trump doesn’t resonate in perfect synchrony with the far right (far from it), they’re saying screw it. At their own parties expense.

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Very true, Skysyks.

We’ve seen this play out right here on PWI.

Lord knows I wish we had other choices than these two…but with each and everyday, it seems like all Hillary has to do is raise money; lay-low; and say “I don’t recall…”

It’s almost like she is being handed the election on a Silver Platter by the GOP…

Yes Mufasa so true.

I have argued that there are many first time voters for Trump who are not necessarily getting phone calls from the various pollsters. They are basically off the radar. That is what will be the big surprise in this election. If Hillary is 3 or so points ahead on the final Poll Trump will defeat her. Not only for the new voters that I spoke of but also for the core enthusiastic Trump supporters.

And also I predict that some of the Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton, some for Jill Stein but many, many will stay home disgusted that their hero lost and then sold out.

She will be affected by the same thing that affects teams that are ahead and try to sit on their lead…they end up losing.

Also, does she have the energy to campaign every day if she absolutely had to? I don’t think so.

That’s a bit of an understatement. There is a difference between being less than the perfect conservative candidate and a candidate with a majority of ideas in direct opposition to conservatism.

The ones who stayed home for Romney were saying “screw it.”

The ones staying home for Trump are saying “fuck that guy.”

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I was thinking about something recently.

You know how the Presidential Candidates will have some big venue or park or stadium to do their post-victory waves; bring out the family; etc.?

It’s kind of bizarre to think that there will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth by greater than half the Country with whomever wins this election. In other words; they will not just dislike the soon-to-be inaugurated President…that will actually have a hate and disdain for him or her.

In many ways, that’s sad…

We have a whole nation of Trigglypuffs. On both sides.

From the other side of the world, this is really bizarre to watch.

It’s as if you have a boxing match between two people who are trying to knock each other out by punching themselves in the face as hard as they can.

Not that it’s better on this side of the world.

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Funny you mention that, the LA Times recently did a poll that included voters voting for their first time and the majority said they would vote Trump. Using this method, Trump was up by 3. But since they were first time voters, they were not considered likely voters, and not counted in the typical methodology, this resulted in Hillary being up by a couple points.

You cannot take a knee at the start of the 4th quarter, not against a scrapper like Trump. The good opponents run you into the ground until it’s over. She cannot hide forever, not after what seems the tangerine tornado is showing a mild display of temperament.