The Next President of the United States: IV

[therajraj]

@zeb1 when quoting sloth use sloth’s name… it’s setting my notification centre off

[therajraj]

@Sloth

@therajraj

Wasn’t Hillary the preordinained candidate in 2008?

What happened there? I have no idea how much of a chance Trump has but polling data has shown unreliable in predicting Trump

This isn’t the Democrat primary, or any primary anymore, that we’re talking about. Trump is no Obama. Not by a long shot. Obama was a candidate you could vote for and feel good about yourself for having done so, saving oneself from having to vote for a flawed Hillary. Unfortunately, for you, your candidate doesn’t have that benefit. He’s actually viewed more negatively…

Perhaps, but Trump is playing the fear angle. If there are multiple major Islamic terror attacks between now and November, it wouldn’t surprise me if polls started to sway in his favour. Who are we kidding? We are guaranteed at least one more Islamic attack with a double digit body count either here or in Europe prior to the election.

[zeb1]

@therajraj

But you have nothing at all to base this on. You don’t even have polling data (which you’d rather we just ignore) to suggest this. Outside of an emotional hope, what data can you even offer that Trump’s negative favorables are in fact lower than Hillary’s

I have Hillary’s high negatives based upon her being a scandal clad exceptionally flawed candidate.

“But Trump has high negatives too”

Yes…but why? He has a big mouth. If he can manage to shut up that can go away or at least be lowered. Hillary is still going to be the 2016 poster child for scandal. the FBI pass today does help that but the way she was passed definitely does not give the public a warm fuzzy feeling.

[Drew1411]

@zeb1

You just said it: “PA is close to a toss up”. Can you tell me the last time that the republicans won PA in a Presidential contest? Right!

I’m not understanding your point. PA is one of about 10 swing states Trump would need, and he is currently down in all of them. Yes things can change, but that is a big hill to climb.

@zeb1

I expect NJ to tighten up when fatso is either becomes Trumps running mate (a huge mistake), or is mentioned as possible Attorney General. Either way, I don’t think the majority of blue collar workers of NJ will vote for Hillary.

You might think it will go that way, and it may, but the last poll Hillary had a 21 point lead. It will need to do more than tighten up. The current evidence points to the exact opposite of what you are saying will happen. Over the last 2 months Clinton’s lead went from 4-7 to 15-21.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nj/new_jersey_trump_vs_clinton-5872.html

[Sloth]

1, Benghzi is done and over with. Conspiracy nuts say stupid stuff, smarter GoP question the White Houses’ seemingly all too-eager need to blame a youtube video, and the Dems say nothing is there to blame Hillary for. Long baked into Hillary’s run, either way. And still more liked than Trump.

2. Good luck having to resort to e-mail scandal plan B, “Ok, so she was careless, at least.” She was careless, but we pretty much ALL knew that. Unfortunately, with Trump, your only hope was that she would be indicted.

3. Well, IF the refusal to indict over the e-mail was political then the logical prediction is that the foundation scandal will see a similar fate…

[zeb1]

@therajraj

Can’t hate him too much if one supports him. People often say that to not vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. No, a vote FOR Hillary is a vote FOR Hillary. And a vote FOR Trump is a vote FOR Trump. You vote for and affirm all that he has been, is, has said and done, says and does still today, and all that he ran on (war crimes pandering and all).

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The fact is either Trump or Hillary will be elected. If you don’t vote for Trump then yes you do help Hillary.

if you want a couple of more left wing loons on the Supreme Court then you are going about it the right way. You will help wreck the country for generations to come.

CONGRATS MAN!

[zeb1]

@Sloth

The reality is that your belief has nothing to find purchase on, as your party decided to offer their own conspiracy nut sleeze-ball who is too easily pinned as a race-baiting misogynist…

Your bet should have involved you having to use a flattering Hillary Clinton being sworn in photo as an avatar for a few months.

First of all it was the millions of voters that decided to give Trump the nomination, not the party. You are going to have to correct that because you keep saying it.

LOL…I would never make that bet. Much easier to drop from PWI for one year as I promised to do. But oh my you said you would drop for a lifetime.

[zeb1]

[quote=“Sloth, post:125, topic:218984, full:true”]
1, Benghzi is done and over with. Conspiracy nuts say stupid stuff, smarter GoP question the White Houses’ seemingly all too-eager need to blame a youtube video, and the Dems say nothing is there to blame Hillary for. Long baked into Hillary’s run, either way. And still more liked than Trump.[/quote]

Not so fast Sloth. Either you do not remember or just don’t fully understand how Benghazi can be exploited in TV ads around the Country. Again check the Swift Boat ads that sunk the Kerry campaign. People don’t like inept leaders that get people killed.

Good luck having to resort to e-mail scandal plan B, “Ok, so she was careless, at least.”

Yes, what a wonderful thing to put on your resume. “I am careless when it comes to high security matters” And then Benghazi piggy back on that. Not a pretty sight for her.

Well, IF the refusal to indict over the e-mail was political then the logical prediction is that the foundation scandal will see a similar fate…

It may, it may not. But it does hang in the air does it not?

[zeb1]

@Drew1411

I’m not understanding your point. PA is one of about 10 swing states Trump would need, and he is currently down in all of them. Yes things can change, but that is a big hill to climb.

The only three republicans to win PA over the past 50 years was Reagan twice, Nixon once and Ike twice. My point is if Trump is virtually tied in PA I’d say that’s pretty good news for his campaign.

[Sloth]

[quote=“zeb1, post:127, topic:218984, full:true”]

@Sloth

The reality is that your belief has nothing to find purchase on, as your party decided to offer their own conspiracy nut sleeze-ball who is too easily pinned as a race-baiting misogynist…

Your bet should have involved you having to use a flattering Hillary Clinton being sworn in photo as an avatar for a few months.

First of all it was the millions of voters that decided to give Trump the nomination, not the party. You are going to have to correct that because you keep saying it. [/quote]

Nope. This is where you’ve fallen short. He is the party’s nominee. The GoP gave us Trump. The GoP is now Trump. And Trump is the GoP. His stink, the explicit race-baiting, women objectifying, would be war criminal cloying stench of it finally and firmly attached to the GoP to the Democrats’ delight. What a gift. This wasn’t just about losing to Hillary, this was about the future of the GoP.

[Sloth]

@zeb1

It may, it may not. But it does hang in the air does it not?

And this is what your “confidence” boils down to. One last finger-crossed hope.

[zeb1]

@Drew1411

You might think it will go that way, and it may, but the last poll Hillary had a 21 point lead. It will need to do more than tighten up. The current evidence points to the exact opposite of what you are saying will happen. Over the last 2 months Clinton’s lead went from 4-7 to 15-21.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Jersey: Trump vs. Clinton

Yes, according to your link Trump is currently 11.7 pts. (average of polls) behind Hillary in NJ. I agree he has a lot of work to do. But Christie (another republican I dislike) is quite popular in NJ. Are you disputing that having him on board will help Trump gain the ground he needs?

[Sloth]

@zeb1

@therajraj

Can’t hate him too much if one supports him. People often say that to not vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. No, a vote FOR Hillary is a vote FOR Hillary. And a vote FOR Trump is a vote FOR Trump. You vote for and affirm all that he has been, is, has said and done, says and does still today, and all that he ran on (war crimes pandering and all).

=

The fact is either Trump or Hillary will be elected. If you don’t vote for Trump then yes you do help Hillary.

if you want a couple of more left wing loons on the Supreme Court then you are going about it the right way. You will help wreck the country for generations to come.

CONGRATS MAN!

If you vote for Trump, you actually vote FOR Trump.

[zeb1]

@Sloth

And this is what your “confidence” boils down to. One last finger-crossed hope.

This and the multitude of other things that I have mentioned repeatedly about Hillary Clinton. It’s simply one more thing.

[zeb1]

@Sloth

If you vote for Trump, you actually vote FOR Trump.

LOL…I cannot argue with that logic.

But, after viewing his choices for the Supreme Court I feel much better than allowing another nut ball like Sotamayer to join the high court. And Hillary will most assuredly do such a thing.

And you will have helped it happen!

[zeb1]

Gotta run guys plenty of work to do after the extended holiday weekend.

[Sloth]

@zeb1

@Sloth

If you vote for Trump, you actually vote FOR Trump.

LOL…I cannot argue with that logic.

But, after viewing his choices for the Supreme Court I feel much better than allowing another nut ball like Sotamayer to join the high court. And Hillary will most assuredly do such a thing.

And you will have helped it happen!

No, you will. People like you and Push who whined about our early warnings about Trump. You guys are responsible for having helped nominate Hillary’s dream opponent. And you’re responsible, alongside the full-blown Trump crowd, for the lasting damage done to the GoP (as a possible opposing force to the Democrats) well beyond this election. Trump was the Democrats’ “See, told you they were like that!” opposition candidate. And the GoP put their stamp on it.

[anon50325502]

@Sloth

You guys are responsible for having helped nominate Hillary’s dream opponent. And you’re responsible, alongside the full-blown Trump crowd, for the lasting damage done to the GoP (as a possible opposing force to the Democrats) well beyond this election. Trump was the Democrats’ “See, told you they were like that!” opposition candidate. And the GoP put their stamp on it.

This is exactly how I feel as well.

Edit:

So really, a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary…

[Drew1411]

@zeb1

Yes, according to your link Trump is currently 11.7 pts. (average of polls) behind Hillary in NJ. I agree he has a lot of work to do. But Christie (another republican I dislike) is quite popular in NJ. Are you disputing that having him on board will help Trump gain the ground he needs?

Christie has been on board the Trump train for a while now, and the polls are moving in Clinton’s direction. I’m saying that based on the evidence, that theory is not supported.

[Sloth]

And just to add more to the view that Trump is a conspiracy-nut, race/ethnic/religiosity baiting, loon…His campaign may have used an image from an often violence-tinged, white supremacy, alt-right loon gathering…GoP’s candidate, folks…

Donald Trump's Star of David Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White Supremacists

/facepalm