It appears to me that the Democrat response right now is “never Trump” more than “Clinton!”
They’re basically doing the same thing as the Republicans.
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I thought so. Trying to shovel the metric ton of bullshit off the top of story to get to the truth is a bit difficult, my understanding of actual ban is, temporarily banning immigration, visas and other some such ways of entering the country from predominantly muslim countries. A.K.A. the countries most associated with terror.
To unpack this a little, it is a fact that nearly all terror attacks designed and designated to maximize casualties amongst innocent civilians are sourced from the part of the world that happens to be the most muslim. And the attackers are muslims. Hence forth, and here to, it makes sense to ban travel back and forth between Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Somalia, Oman, Sudan, and I am willing to throw the U.A.E. and Indonesia in for good measure.
Now this won’t stop the flow of terrorists or terror related materials (it would slow it down, though) from getting in, but it will allow us to vet the process and see how else they get in. It will expose their underground as those routes would then be more crowded and hence visible.
It would also give us time to vet, what and who to profile and how. Again, it won’t be perfect, but it gives us time to maneuver, gather intelligence and hopefully save lives.
According to U.S. intelligence, ISIS is coming. Not ‘inspired’ killers, the real deal. As they lose territory, they are redeploying ‘soldiers’ to the terror branch. Since, no one is on the ground with a blockade, the rats scatter freely.
It’s not like banning travel on a certain people’s is unprecedented. How long was the travel ban to Cuba in place? 50+ years? A 6-12 month ban on travel to terror hotspots in not a big deal.
I miss Bush. That’s what a president (or candidate) should do. Take it. Nobody knows what it’s like to lose a child except for those who have lost one. And unless you know what it’s like STFU and let the parents grieve. If hating your guts gives them comfort, so be it.
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I would gladly welcome someone running their mouth than another’s proven ineptitude and corruption. Maybe you’re going with the whole “devil you know” argument, but after seeing how she handled Libya, we have more than a basic idea of how she will do. Sure, Trump never voted on anything, neither did Obama in 2008. Well he did vote for the Border Fence and ran against gay marriage, but he got a pass because the first African-American president could never be scrutinized.
You assumed wrong, I know what empathy is. Before I try to understand the mind of those attacking me, I prefer to protect myself from such an attack. After all, you cannot empathize with someone if your fucking head has been severed from your body. But I do appreciate the definition link, I will gladly wipe my ass with it.
If the Muslim ban’s temporariness is a function of “figuring out what the hell is going on” leads to it being permanent, then such problems prove Trump’s point. Trump is not in control right now, so the problems with our inability to weed out dangerous Muslims belong to the Obama Administration. It’s as if you are blaming Trump for the current immigration problem.
We are well within our right to control who immigrates here and who doesn’t. No one is obligated to come here, and if it means we don’t allow people because our national security is at risk, then so be it. Our first priority should be the safety of our people, everything else comes second.
About nukes, thank God it’s as easy as Trump walking up to a console and pushing a button. It’s as if I never left the studios, where scriptwriters sat at Starbucks writing this shit up. There is no advising from the Joint Chiefs, the Sec Def, the VP, nope, just walk over and flip a switch. That’s how easy our military designed the launch of a nuke.
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We didn’t pay a ransom, we owed them that money. 
Agreed. Bush is a lot of things (good and bad), but I don’t think anyone can argue he isn’t a genuine good guy.
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I would hate to see two fine, well meaning, generally well mannered posters ignore each other. You both have a lot to give, even if you don’t agree. Don’t put each other on the ignore list unless it’s necessary. Have a 
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At this point, we’re in a lull. The points will move back and forth, until the debates. I think the first debate decides the winner. That’s my prediction. Who ever wins the first debate, wins the election.
Though, I am not sure I can bare to watch that much stupidity in one concentrated time frame. It may be to much for my delicate constitution.
Oh, I completely disagree Max. If a temporary ban (ignoring the constitutionality of such a ban) became permanent it would be a strong indication that we’ve fallen so far from the founders vision for this country that even one as optimistic as me would have a hard time seeing the righting of this ship.
I think it just proves our experimentation in self governance and liberty for all was a short lived pipe dream and nothing more.
Our first priority should be to liberty and freedom not safety and the constitution is pretty clear (imo) regarding the legality of a religious test for anything including immigration. The avoidance of religious prosecution was also a primary reason people migrated here in the first place.
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I’ve got no ill will towards Chushin.
I am with you on that. I am not totally sure if Trump is that dumb or just does not speak well, but I am familiar with his leadership style from his business dealings. Not intimately of course, but he tends to be a good judge of talent. He is a delegator. He will put the people best suited to handle a post and let them handle it. If they fail to get results, he replaces them.
Hillary is not that way. She wants to be the queen bee. She won’t delegate, she will try to be the know-it-all of everything, in the spirit of obama.
I prefer a blather mouth delegator to a queen bee.
I have seen what Hillary can do. Those of us old enough to remember, often think she’s already been president for 2 terms and hence is not eligible.
And for those of us old enough to remember, do you remember how much everybody hated the bitch?
The fact that Bill would rather fuck a, well, not the best looking, intern rather than her tells you something.
He wasn’t a pig, he was desperate.
I remember a radio commentator talking about the Lewinsky thing, I don’t remember who, said “The best thing he’s ever done as a President, Governor, leader, politician and as a man is to cheat on that woman”
I still remember that comment to this day, and it’s still funny…
I would agree with you if it were a ‘ban on muslims’ there’s no way in hell it’s constitutional. However, if I understand the matter correctly as being a temporary travel ban on mostly muslim countries who are and have been known to be involved in terrorism, I do not think it’s a problem.
I do not support banning muslims, meaning I do not support banning people of a certain religion because of their religion. I do support a travel embargo on mostly muslim countries with known contacts and history with terrorism. Outside the media spin, that’s what I understand it to be. And I don’t disagree for previously mentioned reasons.
We have to be honest about this problem. There is a problem with Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Oman, Sudan, etc. Terrorists are from there, exist there, and wish to export terror here and other places. They also just happen to be muslims. I am fine with a temporary travel ban, provided we use that time wisely to expose and eradicate their back channels as well as gather intelligence on how and where they move.
I travel ban to these places many not stop a terrorist wanting to enter the country, but restricting their access makes it harder, causes it to take longer, and gives us time.
This type of thing is not unprecedented. Try and buy a ticket to Moscow in the '80’s? Or Havana? You couldn’t.
It just so happens that these many of these countries are muslim and the terrorists are muslim. That’s not our fault. They’ve declared war on us. We can choose to acknowledge it or ignore it but it does not matter which you choose, we are at war nonetheless.
In case no one else has noticed this thread, in fact this entire forum, is on a merry go round. We never get too far from saying the same things repeatedly. First to one person then to another and then back again to the original person. We also repeat ad nauseam to the exact same people simply because there are less people around than there used to be. We level criticism, drive home our points (usually the same ones). And then the next day get up and do the same thing over again. Of course, sometimes we add things, other times we take things away. But all in all it’s a mind numbing experience which is…quite funny to watch and to participate in. Now that we are all aware of what’s happening I wonder if it will take a real turn for the good, or we all remain in our own little Ground Hog Day 
Tomorrow when I awake to the same song on T Nation I am going to roll over and go back to sleep.
We are not going to have a country if we keep making bad decisions. Civilizations die when too many bad decisions are made, we are well on our way. The French are learning this lesson right now, we are getting a taste of it now too.
And the Swedes. Their previously crime free nation is rife with sex crimes by refugees and immigrants. The open borders policies Europe had could literally bring them to their knees. How many more terrorist attacks can they handle before they start to become unglued?
These are docile European people who don’t have an angry hostile fiber within them, they are going to lose their culture within a generation or two.
I don’t understand how restricting liberty for an entire group of people while continuing to distance ourselves from the founders intentions in order to feel safer is a good decision.
America is on shaky ground because we are less free than we once were. Adding a religious test to enter our country = less freedom. Rounding illegals up at gun point to ship them home in mass = less freedom. Both of these thing require incre5asimg the federal governments authority and it will one day bite us right in the ass.
Clamp down on illegal immigration. Deport those here illegally within the confines of due process. Secure the border. Kill every terrorists we come across. But don’t allow our government to take away even more freedom to do it.
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If this is the case and it is a travel ban for all those exiting these specific states then, yes, I don’t see a problem with it.
Oh they got it in them, alright. Remember the two largest and deadliest wars the world has ever known last century? That was those docile Europeans. I don’t blame them for being a little skittish about conflict, but they should have been smarter.
The dirty little secret that the EU and Europe doesn’t want you to know is that they are super bigoted. They hate each other, they hate foreigners, they hate loads of people. To do however, by and large, love Americans.