Right before the GOP convention, Trump ordered to pay attorney fees in a suit where he stiffed a contractor (yet again):
http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/article91353232.html
True, but the majority of Americans WILL continue to vote for one of the two major party candidates regardless of the whining from everyone (including me at times). I know you’d like to see a revolt but don’t hold your breath on that one. Either Hillary or Trump will become the 45th President.
Also, as a business man I cannot stand to think that my taxes will be going up yet again after Obama has raised taxes in so many different ways. And Hillary has promised to do just that! Also, we have more regulations that we have ever had on small business people. We need a break, a breather from the democrats if only for four years.
As for your post above, Trump has had tens of thousands of employees over decades there will be problems with that many people. I can tell you personally as a business owner for decades that I have had unhappy employees, no matter how hard I try to make them happy it just can’t be done.
One more point, those are real dead bodies that Hillary left in Benghazi without lifting a finger to help and then lied about why they died (remember the invisible video?)
I know how you feel about Trump like I said I really dislike the guy he’s a big mouth bragger. And I at times have been tempted to stay home. But under no conditions do I want the very corrupt Clinton machine in charge again. I am old enough to remember the Clinton years 92’ to 00’. They simply cannot be trusted and as for screwing people, do you really think Hillary cares about you and I? Bill didn’t he used the Oval office for sexual purposes. Okay…I’m old fashion but if you’re going to cheat on your wife don’t disgrace the people’s office.
What a rotten choice we’re all faced with this election year–SHEESH!!
Just one more time - I’m not expecting a “revolt” and I’m not even expecting it this year. I do accept that most likely either Hilary or Trump will become the 45th president. But I’m hopeful that maybe voting Libertarian this year will give us more than 2 viable choices for the 46th or 47th President.
Look, in your very next post you mentioned that we’re faced with a rotten choice this year. How do we avoid such rotten choices? Maybe we can start by voting for someone else to shift a little momentum in such a way that there could be 3 viable choices next time this comes around?
That’s fair. In theory, we should be making these decisions based on which candidate’s policy positions we like better, not which candidate we hate less.
LOL. There’s a difference between “unhappy employees” and “routinely and systematically refusing to pay people you’ve contracted to perform work.” This goes a little beyond having problems with a few former employees. He scolded supervisors on his projects for actually paying the contractors!
Absolutely a fair criticism of Hilary. But what makes you think Donald, a guy who lies about EVERYTHING, is going to handle such situations any differently?
It’s a matter of opinion, but I think the Trump machine is every bit as corrupt as the Clinton machine, and I think Trump cares about us even less than Hilary does. His entire history is loaded with crapping on people for personal gain, from little guy on up to business partners.
Just a follow-up on this, here’s an interesting article I read a few days ago. I’m not using it to say one is a bigger liar than the other because it does show that both have plenty of checkmarks next to their name, but I did find the “offense vs defense” concept interesting.
This passage near the end…
“But Trump is another story — or rather, tells other stories. “He is unapologetic about saying things that are completely and verifiably untrue,” DePaulo said. Experts find Clinton’s lying habits to be more “normal” among politicians in this respect.”
…kind of presents how I feel. Trump can’t go more than a few minutes without actively saying things that are verifiably untrue (I mean, he has Tweeted things and then later done the “I never said that, they’re spreading lies about me” routine even when people post screenshots of his old tweet). He says his book is the best-selling business book ever (it isn’t). He says he’s worth 10 billion dollars (he’s not). He said he raised $6 million for veterans in one night (he didn’t, and only paid the amount after the press caught on to the fact that he had made no such donation). He tweeted out a picture with a caption that said he was serving Trump Steaks at his press conference (the steaks had Bush Brothers labels on them; Trump Steaks have been defunct for several years). He said Ben Roethlisberger would speak at the RNC (he didn’t and never had any intention of doing so). He said Tom Brady would speak at the RNC (ditto Roethlisberger). He said Tim Tebow would speak at the RNC (Tebow’s reaction the day after that rumor broke was “Um, why is my name being dragged into this?”). He said John Oliver had called him 4 or 5 times to ask about going on his show (Oliver says his show never called). His latest silly claim: the Democrats are trying to “rig the debates” by scheduling them to line up with NFL games (the debate schedule was set last fall by the nonpartisan Committee on Presidential Debates) and furthermore that the NFL has sent him a letter saying this is ridiculous (an NFL spokesman confirms that they have sent no such letter). The guy is completely and utterly allergic to the truth - he just makes up whatever he wants to say at a given time, even things that can be verified false with a two-second Google search.
I mean, this is all stuff I thought of off the top of my head from random memories of LOLTrump moments over the last couple months. I didn’t even have to go looking.
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WaPo is by far the most anti-Trump new site there is. They have shown on multiple occasions to misrepresent Trump.
The Paper is owned by Jeff Bezos who has openly feuded with Trump. It’s no wonder half the articles from Anti-Trumpers come from there
Clinton did not allow 4 brave men to be killed in Benghazi. There are 1,000 reasons not to like Hillary Clinton (including the Benghazi lie about the video) that you don’t need to manufacture this one.
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That may be true, but I didn’t post the article just to be anti-Trump. I found the discussion of the types of lies told by the two candidates fascinating. As noted, Hilary lies are usually “defense” lies (the more classic politician-covering-their-ass lie) while Trump will play “offense” and just straight out make things up that, again, are easily verifiable as untrue. He’ll go out and make shit up about other people (i.e. “Tim Tebow will speak at the RNC” or “the NFL agrees with me, they sent me a letter saying this is ridiculous”) and leave those people saying “Uh, no, actually we haven’t spoken to Trump or his campaign…”
It’s the contrast in style that I find interesting.
Shhhh, we agreed to pretend that never happened…
(just a shout, I remember discussion in a previous thread where someone, I don’t remember who, was on and on about how outrageous and unprecedented it would be if a Presidential candidate were under government investigation, and you pointed out that Trump has literally already lost a lawsuit to the federal government. Classic stuff, really)
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I’m glad a Marine said this…and FINALLY Clinton mentioned Beirut.
When 240-plus Marines and French Paratroopers were killed in Beirut under Ronald Reagan; instead of playing it for political points; a House committee undertook a serious, bipartisan investigation into what went wrong at the barracks in Beirut. Two months later, it issued a report, and it was done.
The money and time spent on Benghazi; and all the ill-will created…is just staggering and hard for many to understand.
As you said…the are a LOT of reasons to not like Clinton…this one needs to take a rest.
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Ya, this “logic” (not logical at all) that Hillary, “allowed 4 brave men to be killed,” is patently absurd. Reagan and Beirut is a perfect example. Another are the idiots that blame GWB for 9/11.
These men were killed by scum bag terrorists, period. No amount of armchair quarterbacking, in hindsight, is going to change the facts. And if Trey Gowdy and company couldn’t obtain evidence that showed Hillary could have acted to save lives, but did not then as far as I’m concerned the case is closed. It was closed for me when Leon Panetta said we didn’t have assets close enough to respond, but he’s an evil democrat.
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Says the guy on Twitter all day.
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…kind of presents how I feel. Trump can’t go more than a few minutes without actively saying things that are verifiably untrue (I mean, he has Tweeted things and then later done the “I never said that, they’re spreading lies about me” routine even when people post screenshots of his old tweet). [/quote]
There are many many examples of this. Here is a major one:
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He says his book is the best-selling business book ever (it isn’t). [/quote]
Very minor lie. It’s been estimated by some to be a top 5 business books of all time (exact sales numbers are hard to come by).
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He says he’s worth 10 billion dollars (he’s not). [/quote]
Yes he embellishes for effect.
He lies about his worth and the business book being a best seller so these facts will stick in people’s minds. It also gets the Left Wing media to inadvertently report his success to the public.
10 billion is a round number - people remember 10 better than they will remember 2-4 (his likely worth). It also forces the press to show he is successful, every estimate I’ve seen of his wealth still pegs his worth in the billions.
Same goes for suggesting his book is the best selling business book of all time. Best selling of all time sticks better in people’s mind than top 5.
I’m not saying this is right but why he does this. To have any chance he almost has to do this stuff because of the bias against him.
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He said he raised $6 million for veterans in one night (he didn’t, and only paid the amount after the press caught on to the fact that he had made no such donation). [/quote]
No he was vetting the charities.
He is playing with optics/public perception. You can call this wrong but at the same time keep in mind the media way portrays the handful of his unsuccessful ventures as massive failures when they were tiny and insignificant.
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He said Ben Roethlisberger would speak at the RNC (he didn’t and never had any intention of doing so). He said Tom Brady would speak at the RNC (ditto Roethlisberger). He said Tim Tebow would speak at the RNC (Tebow’s reaction the day after that rumor broke was “Um, why is my name being dragged into this?”). [/quote]
He said he had Wanted Roethlisberger, Tebow and Brady to speak at the RNC to portray a culture of winning. They declined.
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He said he wanted to have them all address the convention, to be held next month in Cleveland, as examples of “winners,” rather than “these people, these politicians who are going to get up and speak and speak and speak.”[/quote]
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He said John Oliver had called him 4 or 5 times to ask about going on his show (Oliver says his show never called). [/quote]
Of course John Oliver is going to say that. John Oliver’s bosses are Time-Warner who are one of Hillary’s contributors.
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His latest silly claim: the Democrats are trying to “rig the debates” by scheduling them to line up with NFL games (the debate schedule was set last fall by the nonpartisan Committee on Presidential Debates) and furthermore that the NFL has sent him a letter saying this is ridiculous (an NFL spokesman confirms that they have sent no such letter). The guy is completely and utterly allergic to the truth - he just makes up whatever he wants to say at a given time, even things that can be verified false with a two-second Google search. [/quote]
Literally the next post:
I expressed my problem with the study too
I love the rationalizing going on in here. Oh, that’s just a minor lie. Oh, he’s just embellishing a little for effect. Oh, he’s lost a lawsuit to the DOJ well Hillary’s lawsuit would have been worse.
If Trump was even an okay candidate his supporters could point to his record or policies as a reason to vote for him. Instead, because he’s a heaping pile of political garbage, they have to resort to the tired line that Hillary is worse or Trump might appoint a better (better for who?) judge to the SCOTUS.
Hillary is complete garbage. It should be incredibly easy to make a case for the GOP nominee, yet here we are…
Ya, insufficiently…
Everyone knows why he does it, no explanation required. He is a carnival barker trying to inflate the value of his brand.
And nonsense he’s doing it because “there’s a bias against him” - he’s done this for self-serving reasons well before he got into a race for public office.
He’s as much of a liar as Hillary, if not more so, he just hasn’t been subjected to the same scrutiny because he hasn’t been in public service.
Yes, and all you’ve done is flatly conceded he lies like it’s his job.
Its wrong on its face, but it’s also stupid - how bad do you look when your lies are so easily refuted by some basic investigation and reporting?
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