The Next President of the United States: IV

Has anyone brought up spirit cooking yet?

No, Because it is stupid.

You are making me feel stupid for supporting Trump. I might swing over to supporting Hillary just to extract myself from guilt by association with people like you.

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If you feel stupid you probably are

Apparently guccifer the hacker guy is going to monitor the polling machine activities to see if the Democrats are going to try to rig the election

Would you be so good as to explain for me what the burden of proof on this is going to be for you?

I ask because statisticians used fairly complex analytic methods to determine that it was likely but not quite “beyond a reasonable doubt” that several recent Russian elections actually were (probably) rigged. Things like numerical analysis showing impossibly round-numbered voting patterns at certain polling locations, that would have been extraordinarily unlikely (i.e. the odds of all five polling stations in one town getting exactly 75.0% of the vote for one candidate).

However, my suspicion is that your degree of comprehension or understanding is not quite that high, and that any frothy-mouthed blog post from an alt-right site saying “I’m a hacker and I can prove the election was rigged! See, here’s a picture from my computer of an actual voting booth where someone is shown voting for Trump, then changing their mind to vote for Hillary!” is enough for you.

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If your ideas on intellect are anything like your display of discernment and critical reading skills, I will gladly be the dumbest bastard to have ever fallen out of a short bus.

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  1. dead people voting

  2. project veritas video where they’re bragging about committing voter fraud for decades

  3. this video from 2014 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lTjvfhCJUEM

  4. in the stefan molyneux video I posted people take sick old people, fill out their ballots with a Democrat vote and force the old person to sign

  5. I could easily illegally vote if I wanted to even though I’m not a citizen. I have a state ID, bank account with my address, SSN, it’s really not hard. If I can do this with little effort imagine what someone actually trying to commit voter fraud could do

Where there’s smoke there’s fire

I very much spilled my beer laughing at this. Well played sir, very well played.

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Not always. Sometimes it’s just the smoldering coals that devil worshiping political conspirators use to roast babies.

I read that on the internet just above this line. :smiling_imp:

The problem with this, and what literally everyone else posting on this thread but you seems to be smart enough to realize, is that even the things you posted yourself can also be faked. You are going to choose to believe the accounts that you read which support the conclusion that you want to hear, regardless of how strong or weak that “evidence” actually is (again: you posted a took-two-seconds-to-figure-out-it-was-photoshopped fake ballot).

Sure, some guy might post a video on the Internet the day after the election claiming that he’s a hacker and he has proof that a bunch of dead people voted. But how do you know that’s true? You don’t. You just choose to believe it is true because you want it to be true.

This happens all over the place. Mindless buffoons who want to believe shit will just go ahead and believe it the second they have an excuse to. The comments on that blog post about the “email that proves polling is rigged” showed that quite clearly. One dude posted about a thing he does not understand and the lemmings all followed him off the cliff.

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Of course. It will be difficult to prove, the whole point of voter fraud is to do it covertly.

Not everything is concrete and certain subjects one can only hold a personal opinion on the matter. Why this has to be explained aloud I’m not sure

The issue is not that it has to be explained aloud. Everybody knows this. The issue is that you–at least as far as I can see–are not able to actually evaluate the quality or hierarchy of evidence you have at hand or even whether it actually qualifies as evidence vs hearsay. It seems you are not very good at understanding and combatting your own confirmation bias, which is something good observers and particularly good scientists like AG are taught to do actively.

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The Under cover video of them bragging about voter fraud sealed the deal for me.

How do you know he’s a good scientist?

Well, not to toot my own horn, but…

It could be that I’ve published 80+ peer-reviewed articles on everything from diabetes care to obstetrics & gynecology to oncology to cardiology to cardiac surgery to lung transplant and heart transplant. It could be that I’ve presented my scientific work at meetings of the American Heart Association, American Diabetes Association, and American Statistical Association. It could be that I particpated in the ASA’s Biopharmaceutical Section workshop a few weeks ago, where we discussed things like “evidence” a little bit. It could be that I’m president-elect of my chapter of the American Statistical Association. Humorously enough, all of these are more quantifiable and verifiable things than your “election is rigged” postulations.

Of course, this could all be part of BIG CONSPIRACY, right? Maybe HILLARY has been playing THE LONG GAME by paying off medical journals to accept my articles so I look like a MAJOR THOUGHTFLUENCER and come election time I carry credibility as a SCIENTIST!

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Oh! Oh! Oh! (in my best Arnold Horshack) I got this one!

edit: too late. I was simply going to refer to the prestige of the institution, but you covered it pretty well too.

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Has Aragorn reviewed any of your work personally?

I find it hard to believe, just a few posts above you put forth an argument so bad even an anti-Trump poster refuted it.

LOL. No, go ahead. It’s nice to have someone else say it too.

Orrrrrr we can go back to debating whether lunatic-fringe Internetsters are uncovering the ugly underbelly of democracy by finding the word “oversampling” in an email and saying THE POLLS ARE RIGGED!

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I don’t know for certain, since in SCIENCE we do this thing where the authors are BLINDED to the people who review their papers. I doubt that he, personally, has reviewed my work (as an official “peer reviewer”) since we work in slightly different specialties. But I believe that he has read some of my work, and it’s not that hard for he, or anyone else, to verify my bona fides. My research (at least all of the abstracts) is easy to find in PubMed and via Google Scholar (for the meeting abstracts that don’t appear in PubMed).

I also should pause for a moment to chuckle at this, because my last post comes off as taking myself way too seriously. Whether I am an accomplished scientist or not really doesn’t matter in the context of this discussion. But since you asked how Aragorn knows if I’m a good scientist…I mean, that guy and I have exchanged some scientific banter over the years in and out of these forums, and both of us have terminal degrees in highly technical fields where critical thinking is kind of the name of the game.

You, on the other hand, appear to post anything you find on Google that has a title which vaguely supports whatever your position you’re trying to advance, regardless of the quality or credibility.

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I was just going to say that you work at one of the most highly regarded medical universities in the US, which includes the likes of Jonas Salk and William Starzle, analyzing the research data that changes the way modern medicine is practiced.

Being a local and knowing a couple of current/former professors there, I can vouch for the fact that AG is no slouch. There isn’t any room for mediocre in that place.

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I also can find conclusive evidence that raj is NOT the all-seeing power that he says he is…

Sorry, raj. Take a lap.