Shrewd!
Maybe he’s just been playing a 50-year-long game. He refused housing to black people all the way back in the 70’s so now, when he says that Mexico is sending us drug dealers and rapists, he comes off much more reasonable by comparison! Nice!
Like he softened his stance a little. To look as if he were taking the opinion of the people into consideration.
Is this being reasonable? Or being a moral relativist? I don’t know. These days, changing your mind seems like a weakness. Or its portrayed by the press as a weakness. I think that’s why politicians are often careful with their words.
RIGGED
Maybe if you read the “Comments” section (not something I would ordinarily encourage) you’d see that this is pretty easily debunked as a bogus story.
This is supposedly emailed from a Trump supporter in small town Illinois whose “friend in South Carolina” went in to fill out their ballot.
The candidates for state treasurer are from Oregon.
Not to mention that this photo would take, like, 2 seconds to make in Photoshop.
Good job, good effort, raj.
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They must think Trump supporters are realllllllyyyyy fucking stupid if this is true… Like, they’ll just pick the second Hillary/Kaine selection cause them there readin skills ain’t sah good…
You’d at least think the lying clownfrauds who tried to make up this little story could have closed that particular loophole by Googling the other names visible in the photo and using the right state for this fake “friend in…”
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No. This is what psychobabbling buffoons have told you. The rest of us understand that what really happened is Trump backed ass-first into an appallingly stupid soundbite he knew would fire up his alt-right white-nationalist scumbag base without understanding or caring to understand anything whatsoever about the soundbite’s actual policy implications. Then a bunch of people who are smarter than he is (not a high bar to clear) told him he had to walk his bullshit back. He tried and failed to follow their instructions.
Even if you were right about his plan (you aren’t), it would be utter lunacy. “Hey, I’ll paint myself as a stupid bigot so that later I will have to try to convince people I’m not a stupid bigot in order to advocate for the plan I actually want to enact but won’t be able to in large part because I spent so much time demonstrating to the American electorate that I’m a stupid bigot.” You and other credulous buffoons have mounted quite the spectacle this year. I can’t say I’m entirely contemptuous: it’s been entertaining. Really.
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IS THIS A SHOEBAT EXCLUSIVE?
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Been gone for a while. You guys have been busy. Racist this. Racist that. Calling each other fuck-tards and the like. It was fun to read through the posts. Anyway…I’m not sure how much weight to give to polls in general because most all of them are biased, but Trump has a lead in Rasmussen and in the IBD poll. Those, in my opinion, are among the few legitimate polls. My personal take is that Trump is going to win the election and it might not even be that close. Gary Johnson hasn’t done much. He won’t have the same impact that Perot did. Even if he does, I am inclined to think that he will draw as many votes from Hillary as he does from Trump. I saw a video from Michael Moore the other day explaining why Trump will win and I can’t believe it, but I agree with him. The silent majority in this nation is fed up and electing Trump will be the biggest F-you in our history. Remember…no matter who wins, there will be a November 9th this year. I checked my calendar and the world is scheduled to continue past November 8th.
I tend to question a lot things in general but I have a hard time believing the polls. Seeing Texas being a toss up is absurd to me. Hell, I live in Minnesota(skol!) and rarely see Hillary signs. It’s honestly shocking the amount of Trump signs I see compared to Hillary in one of the most liberal states there is. I have two buddies drive across the country(One to Missouri, one to Tennessee) and didn’t see one Hillary sign but many Trumps signs.
People are tired of the status quo and want something different, even if that means the blithering idiot will be president.
In conclusion, nothing I said is science based and I will more than likely be completely wrong but there just seems to be more excitement for Trump than Hillary, along with Bernie supporters not voting for her.
Also this…
That email doesn’t mean what you think it does. He’s ordering an oversample of certain demos for particularized info on target groups in PRIVATE, INTERNAL polling. Routine practice.
Edit: so the people who run that website are either literally lying to you OR don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground and actually believe what they’re pushing. Either way, you should never visit it again.
You’re right. Quick post on my part so I’ll concede on that.
This is funny…and upsetting to me, as a PhD in this particular field, because every time someone misunderstands data and/or survey sampling, I cringe.
Oversampling is a routine polling practice, but it is NOT done for the purpose off over-representing one group in the final results (i.e. let’s jack up the number of blacks in the poll so it looks better for Hilary).
It’s because in smaller demographic groups, the effect of one single voter ends up as disproportionately large, so to get a more accurate estimate of the national picture, we would over-sample those especially small groups and then apply sampling weights to properly adjust the final estimates to match the national demographics.
The final poll estimates that are put out are then weighted to reflect this. The final poll estimates are not just “of the 1000 people, 493 said they’d vote Hilary, 427 said they’d vote Trump, and the remainder were undecided; ergo, Hilary leads 49.3% to 42.7% over Trump.”
I understand that things like “math” are hard for most Trump supporters, but this is a non issue.
This is also a reason that the anti-intellectualism of the far right needs to stop. People are too easily spoon-fed bullshit and swallow it whole because they can’t understand something that any undergraduate statistics student would learn.
And I’ll apologize for prematurely blowing my load on you, lol.
My rant stands, just no longer directed at you specifically.
Not blaming you. The WL stuff has been a disaster in terms of fake and misrepresented material. Nothing in context plus insider lingo plus vague, automatic appearance of shadiness = a hoaxer’s dream.
Ya, damn haha. I’ll take it(not your load, the post.) I was in a hurry and posted without fully reading so I deserve it.
I actually don’t blame you all that much, either.
It’s a very pertinent example of how hard it is to find straight dope on any election, or any news event in general, really. As smh just pointed out, it’s easy for hoaxers and conspiracy theorists to find something like this and spin it in a way that the masses gobble up (i.e. “Pollsters oversampling blacks to rig election for Hilary!”) instead of actually telling the truth, whether that’s because they don’t understand the truth or because they DO understand the truth and just want to spin it in a way that fires up their base.
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To be fair, a majority of what wiki leaks has reported has been accurate(even back in the Bush leaks days) from what I’ve looked into. People don’t just fire themselves for no reason so I gave the article the benefit of doubt. I feel like an avid Trump supporter now.
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It actually makes me sad to read the comments on that article.
100% of them jumped straight to “MORE PROOF THE ELECTION IS RIGGED!”
Not one person said “Guys, this is actually normal polling practice, and it’s done to make polls more accurate and representative of national demographics on the whole, not less.”