Four independent private sector companies that came to the same conclusions based on the evidenced data? A plethora of independent cyber-security experts corroborating their conclusions? Sure.
Paid off the U.S. intelligence community? Sure.
But isn’t the sign of a good hacker one who doesn’t leave a footprint?
That’s why I find it a little curious they all unanimously seem to KNOW it’s a Russian state actor
Bill Clintons alleged black son is invited to tonight’s debate
It is the sign of good cyber-security to find the smallest of footprints, because they always exist.
Honestly I don’t know. But they haven’t caught him and he managed to hack the DNC, he’s gotta pretty good right?
I’m saying it’s not conclusive, I haven’t closed the door on it being from Russia.
I just don’t think the idea that it is Russia is at all absurd. It isn’t like the US doesn’t try to hack other people’s info, interfering with other governments is pretty much the hallmark of our foreign policy. It makes sense that Russia would try to fuck with us.
That being said, I don’t think the actor is the biggest concern, even though I am pretty convinced it is Russia, the content and accuracy of the data leaked is far more interesting, imo.
Yup. This exchange has read like parody. As Trump’s imminent loss becomes more apparent, his sad superfans like therajraj drop whatever half-hearted act they were putting on and expose themselves as bumbling dunces eagerly trafficking in some of the most appallingly stupid shit I’ve ever seen excreted into the public square. This is what happens when you try to build a political structure using as its foundation a repugnant coward / gullible stooge / probable sexual predator with a low-seventies IQ and just barely enough English proficiency to ramble loudly about Mexicans in a semicoherent manner.
But therajraj doesn’t care. It isn’t about reason or evidence. These are as foreign and worthless to him as they are to his – and Putin’s – candidate.
Yes, the Kremlin’s attempt at intervention in an American election to Donald Trump’s explicit benefit – an unprecedentedly overt act of political sabotage between nuclear rivals – is less of a concern than thousands of pages of internal campaign correspondence most notable for its ability to stupify and confuse the gullible alt-right muppets who have been pouring through it in the thwarted hope that they will find something materially damaging therein. Definitely.
It’s definitely within the realm of possibility it’s the Russians. But America has plenty of enemies. In reality they hate Trump so they will speak with great certainty about something that clearly is uncertain
Will we ever hear concern about the Clintons taking money from the Saudis and Qatar? Probably not a peep.
For all its many faults, Saudi Arabia isn’t remotely comparable to the Russian Federation. I don’t expect you to know why, but that’s only because I don’t expect you to know anything at all. If you care to learn more, begin with the fact that only one of the two is an openly adversarial revanchist nuclear power, and work your way on down from there.
Much more importantly: when the Saudis hack the RNC and leak internal Trump campaign emails in an overt attempt to sabotage the election, get at me. Until then, you’re an idiot for having tried this.
(So, in case you’re keeping score, your silly attempt at drawing a false equivalence is a swing and an utter miss – in both kind and degree.)
Nobody believes that you know enough about this issue (and/or the world in general) to talk about what’s “in the realm of possibility”…and nobody believes that you care.
I was mainly referring to the DNC emails, where they are, without a doubt, showing their corruption. Also, hacking someone, creating a fall guy and then denying it isn’t exactly what I would call overt. Furthermore, with Putin being as smart as he is, I can’t see how he would think that aligning with Trump would actually better Trumps causes of winning.
Russia hacking Podesta/DNC and showing their internal workings gave real insight into the political process that is rife with underhanded schemes (certainly would go both ways if the GOP got hacked). It undoubtedly hurt HRC to a certain degree, which may have been Russia’s intent. I just don’t get why Putin would align with Trump if that were the case. He has to know that everyone in the US is scared of him (Putin) and aligning with Trump would decrease his likelihood of success. I just think Russia is fucking with everybody, they are tired of what they perceive to be Western interference and sanctions.
Regardless, showing the inner workings of the DNC was fascinating and proved what many Bernie supporters who were called “paranoid” correct.
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Good point.
How is a constant endorsement from Putin expected to help Trump with the American people?
In no way whatsoever is a guy at the DNC proposing a line about Sanders’ apparent atheism – a plan that came to nothing – more “concerning” than an attempt by one thermonuclear power to sabotage the election of another by way of illegal intervention in its affairs and unprecedented subversion of its political institutions. The same goes for every other of the DNC hack’s “revelations,” which, odious as a few were (and legitimate as some Sanders fans’ grievances are), utterly pale in comparison with an irruption of Kremlin tradecraft into an American presidential race. One is – I hope you’re sitting down for this! – evidence of underhanded political maneuvering within a political machine, evidence that exactly no one believes wouldn’t be matched outrage-for-outrage by a look at the RNC’s internal emails during Trump’s ass-first charge through the GOP primary process. The other may constitute or approach constituting an act of war.
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The leaking of the documents was overt whether the real publisher intended to be discovered or not, and this separates the DNC hack-and-publish scheme from routine intelligence-gathering cyberops not intended to produce explicit, headline-making effects on a presidential race.
Then there’s plenty of this, from the “academic” wing of the Russian Foreign Ministry:
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He’s a relentless thief with a talent for stuffing his own maw full of state funds; beyond that, this Putin is so smart and he’s playing this super-cool international chess game meme is a right-wing masturbatory fantasy. He’s run his country’s economy into the ground and made it an international pariah. He invited sanctions and a monetary-financial crisis during a period of global financial recovery. Tip: if you fancy yourself a great power, your economy shouldn’t be struggling to measure up to those of individual US states likes California, Texas, and New York. If it is, it should be growing by >4%, not shrinking for the last 18 months because of a fire whose flames you needlessly fanned. Oh, and he’s managed to raise the probability of global nuclear war with scarcely any material Russian benefit in sight.
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Maybe it’s that he comes directly from the addled bowels of the KGB and thus vastly overestimates his intelligence services’ capabilities, believing them able to dupe the USIC when in fact they couldn’t even figure out how to fake Romanian-language fluency or hide their alphabetic imprint on the stolen documents’ metadata.
Or maybe he’s retreating into a state of warm, fuzzy mental deterioration, as the decadently-rich have been known to do when they find themselves without the edifying constraints of a moral conscience. It can’t help one to surround oneself with such luminous beacons of clear-headed reason as this:
Or maybe he simply overestimated the number of mindless rajrajian buffoons eager to devour and regurgitate Kremlin propaganda.
It doesn’t really matter anymore, does it? The election is over, barring an increasingly unlikely catastrophe. Putin’s man is going to lose. So it goes.
Attacking someone based on religious grounds bothers me, for a number of reasons but it wasn’t the vast conspiracy theory many had assumed. I still find it highly disconcerting that DWS resigned, in part, because of increasing pressure from the progressive wing of the party and then was immediately hired by HRC.
Putin being a relentless thief we can agree on, the rest I am not entirely sure. Is the Russian economy struggling? Sure. Would it be doing better in a scenario where Putin wasn’t in charge? I don’t know, as antagonistic as he may be, he has put his country in the forefront again, which has some value.
Every time I watch his interviews or read transcripts I am entirely convinced Putin is as smart as they say. He is diabolical. Even if you don’t concede he is the mastermind the right makes him out to be, you should be able to realize that he can process a political environ well enough to know he isn’t appreciated.
That New Yorker article is bizarre, the guy sounds like a genuine nutcase but with that being said I wouldn’t put too much weight into this Vayno because after all, “The state of permanent instability, in turn, was the ultimate instrument of control, which sapped the energies and attention of all.”
If the attacks perpetrated by Russia are as malicious as you claim I think there is still cause for concern. If Putin actually wanted Trump in the white house and put genuine effort in then I think the foreign policy of Russia going forward is going to be more belligerent but yea, Trump is going to lose. Clinton will win and hopefully keep things at bay.
Point is you guys aren’t the least bit concerned it’s bash Trump all the time with no consideration of his main opponents faults. Even hear you went back to talking about Trump
No, I mocked your attempt at false equivalence – between Saudi contributions of money to Clinton’s charity and GRU contributions of tradecraft to the sabotage of an American presidential election – for the fatuous horseshit it is.
one thing Trump has going for him is the alternative media which you guys clearly hate - “racist right wing propaganda”
Even trevor Noah is shitting himself over the fact some of them get 65M views in their videos
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Attacking someone based on religious grounds bothers me, for a number of reasons but it wasn’t the vast conspiracy theory many had assumed. I still find it highly disconcerting that DWS resigned, in part, because of increasing pressure from the progressive wing of the party and then was immediately hired by HRC. [/quote]
That’s fine. My issue is with the notion that the underwhelming content of the leaks is more concerning than the fact that they are the product of a Kremlin influence op employed to the political benefit of the stupidest and most disastrous presidential candidate in American history – because it isn’t.
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Putin being a relentless thief we can agree on, the rest I am not entirely sure. Is the Russian economy struggling? Sure. Would it be doing better in a scenario where Putin wasn’t in charge? I don’t know, as antagonistic as he may be, he has put his country in the forefront again, which has some value.[/quote]
The Russian economy is struggling and Putin’s policies are directly to blame.
As for “he has put his country in the forefront again”: this is one of those stock lines people repeat without explaining or knowing what information it is supposed to convey. Putin’s fundamental statistics and numbers in the last couple of years have been atrocious. Again, if you want to fancy yourself a great power, you cannot pursue policies that allow the West to legally exert downward pressure on your economy. Otherwise, how will you ever be GDP-competitive with the state of Texas!? A military modernization project is futile – and destined to fail – if your economy is rolling backwards down a hill of your own manufacture.
Beyond the numbers, the story is just as simple. The RF has succeeded in restoring to itself some of its Imperial instincts and proclivities: this isn’t some kind of impressive feat. It really isn’t all that grandmaster-chessy to bomb the living shit out of a Syrian suburb when you’ve inherited a nuclear arsenal from your predecessor-state and are therefore pretty damn free to do bad shit up to a certain point and to a certain powerless segment of people. This is particularly so when the bombing campaign isn’t going to serve Russian interests in the long term.
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Every time I watch his interviews or read transcripts I am entirely convinced Putin is as smart as they say. He is diabolical. Even if you don’t concede he is the mastermind the right makes him out to be, you should be able to realize that he can process a political environ well enough to know he isn’t appreciated.
That New Yorker article is bizarre, the guy sounds like a genuine nutcase but with that being said I wouldn’t put too much weight into this Vayno because after all, “The state of permanent instability, in turn, was the ultimate instrument of control, which sapped the energies and attention of all.” [/quote]
The question is how long a man can stand at the center of permanent instability before his own egg starts to crack. There have been numerous indications in recent years that Putin is increasingly surrounding himself with babbling loons. Let’s hope he’s the fortress of calculating reason the Right fantasizes him to be.