It doesn’t look like Trump is going to win these states. McMullin has a real chance at Utah (Which Trump might win) and Johnson has a real chance at New Mexico.
Fine by me.
That’s not going to happen.
None of it’s going to happen, but it’s far more likely than a third party winning all of those swing states as the article suggested. But if the electoral map miraculously worked out that way, I do think a President Pence would be the most likely outcome.
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This has a more realistic feel to it than the hypothetical musings here.
The only drawback in it’s logic is that I think Hillary will launch full bore into completion of the ‘I Hate America’ tour with a blitzkrieg’s speed and the tenacity of a pit bull.
I still like the federal funding for future third party candidates if the threshold is met (5% I believe).
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That’s more than likely true.
I’m not so sure only because so many democrats do not like Clinton.
I don’t. Whoever is elected by the House would need to resign or die and I don’t see that happening.
Believing Clinton and Trump are equally bad choice is no longer a tenable position
Luckily we don’t have to decide who is a worse choice. It is sufficient to recognize both as horrible choices for the presidency.
The position from day one has been that a GOP controlled congress can hold Clinton in check. It is well known that either of the two candidates would start their presidency as the most despised candidate in victory. Let Clinton have her four years while we build stronger majorities in 2018 and control all three branches in 2020. The exact opposite happens with Trump, with the added concern that his liberal ways come out in 2018 after we lose congress and the near certainty that a Trump presidency would pave the way for 2020 to be another 2008.
A Clinton victory is just a punt until Trumpism is gone a forgotten.
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Trumpism won’t be forgotten, someone else will fill that void. If another person were to come in and touch on the same issues Trump did, minus the foul mouth and sexual deviancy, you would probably see a similar voter expression and excitement.
The same is true for the Bernie people when he leaves, my guess is that Elizabeth Warren will fill that position.
You have ~40% of the electorate who are Trumpsters, that is not something that will go quietly into the night.
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Exactly. Whether Trump wins or loses “Trumpism” is just the beginning.
I don’t know that it’s the beginning, but it does show where on the political scale the passion exists. Establishment politicians won’t go there because their rich donors won’t allow them to. Look at people like Jeb, Kasich, or Rubio, some of them barely tapped into the double digits in polling yet had crazy amounts of money, support, and other resources behind them.
Both parties are currently relegated to establishment positions, I see this changing over time. As much as the bullshit media claimed people want moderates, both sides show the passion is on the far ends of their respective spectrums.
I personally think Trump could very well start a new party upon a loss
The Know Nothings? History repeats itself?
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Or is it that extreme positions gather more attention and the silent majority is ignored who think both extremes are…well… extreme.
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It isn’t that high. In the primaries he was at ~40% of republicans. Even when he had it locked he finished with a plurality, not a majority. A lot of other republicans have reluctanctly got on board because they are anti-hillary, but are hardly Trumpsters.
If Trump loses, I’d say he’s done with politics. The biggest reservation I have about “Trumpism” as you call it, is Trump the man. He’s brought a very attractive collection of positions to the forefront, but if he loses it will be on account of his own personal baggage. He’s not a young man either.
I don’t think he has a whole lot to go back to? He’s destroyed his brand, nbc will not in a million years bring him back for another season of the Apprentice.
He doesn’t seem like the type to sit back and play golf and take it easy
So perhaps it’s more accurate to say that politics is done with him. He’ll have a voice probably, but he’ll no longer be a standard bearer. He raised good issues but for personal reasons makes a lousy standard bearer. He won’t have the political capital to start a party.
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Modern day brown shirts right here.
The foul mouth is what defines Trumpism. What issues does Trump speak of that many Republicans haven’t been talking about for years? We know jobs leaving this country is an issue, we know we have huge deficits both in trade and the budget, we’ve been talking about illegal immigration for years, and there are a handful of anti-establishment Republicans that have actually demonstrated they are willing to stand up and do something more than stay up late to play on Twitter.
It is Trumps complete lack of understanding of these issues and his coarse mouth that has driven so many too him. It’s not overly difficult to recognize problems. Trump struck a nerve by complaining about everything going on around him which has allowed him to perpetuate the myth that he stands up for the little guy and has gotten away with it by convincing people that he is smarter than the rest, so his “believe me” spiel is good enough for the low information voter that thinks his business success proves this. Nobody else has the name recognition or wealth to make it onto a national stage with a campaign of such little substance and such arrogance.
More than his foul mouth, is his threat to turn the system upside down. And after seeing the level of corruption we are dealing with, there is reason to suggest that the system needs to be changed.
Sure, his foul mouth is red meat for some, but if he spoke gently about undoing the system, both establishments would come after him the same as they are now.
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