The Next President of the United States: IV

Hmmm 2 incredibly bad choices. Trump isin’t even trying to convince anybody how horrible leader he is. It’s his supporters who want to dietify him and make him a saint, all the while ignoring his obvious character flaws. On the other hand we have Clinton, who seriously lacks the strenght of character to achieve anything other than what the self-intrest serving backers desire. I still go with Clinton, because it lowers the possibility of apocalypse conciderably.

The only reason trump is being even concidered is that: People are sich of the horrible echonomical, and geopolitical situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsxavPANO8s

PS: When people remark about American economical state, it´s good to note that the entire world isin’t doing all that well echonomically. That´s due neo-capitalism aka: Capitalism that’s sole belief is that debt results allways in expotential growth. The thing is that that is running to the end of it’s course and either: The form of capitalism has to change, or it´s fundamental rules have to change. This financial situation won’t be solved by any goverment, but by the world banks. We are pretty much moving to form of world order where major companies have all the decision power as they controll most world finances and less than 0,05% of population make all the decisions. The world’s financial situation really doesn´’t affect any of the leaders of the companies as their money is not tied to any country. Money really has no motherland.

Did you know: That there are only 5 countries in the world without debt? And those 5 are coutries that very few have ever heard about: Palau, Macao, British Virgin Islands, Brunei and Liechtenstein. They pretty much have less population combined than most minor cities alone.

Let´s talk about how much money a few countries have when debt is deduced from GDP.
USA has: GDP 18,295,304,XXX,XXX. And 99% of it´s debt to banks, investors and companies. Let’s compare it to Russia for example: it has only 16% of it’s GDP as debt. Making it about 1,2trillion richer than usa. China has 48% as Debt but it’s GDP is still 6,5 trillion dollars on the plus side. Yet boh countries here are increasing their debt currently.

Now as final thing: Let’s talk Obama: During Obama administration USA’s debt has started going down. The usa Debt goes down every minute 2,400 dollars. So now During Obama’s administration USA is lowering it’s debt each year by around: 884,736,000 dollars.

It will be intresting to see what happens with Clinton or Trump in charge.

Writers note: Everything has been simplified for ease of read.

Ummmm, okay… :wat:

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The US national debt is decreasing under Obama? That’s an interesting alternate reality.

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Lol, ya… I’m not sure how doubling the debt in 8 years equals the debt is decreasing under Obama.

Nope, it’s actually a fact.

When Obama took office the debt was around $9T now it’s about $19.6T…

Remember when all Trump would talk about is polls? Oh wait, if the poll isn’t positive for Trump it can’t be believed. Just lol.

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Without checking, he probably means deficit is shrinking

The deficit has decreased under Obama as tax revenue has increased, but it is up by about $100B from 2015-2016 from what I can tell.

What would it look like if only men voted?

Is it just me…or does it appear as though Trump is Pivoting to an almost paranoid, “scorched-Earth” mode?

If everyone is weak and against me (Republicans, Democrats, the media, women, Conservatives, Liberals, blacks, Latinos…the list is endless)…then we’ll just destroy it all…

I may be over-reacting…but it’s all getting just a little scary…

Thoughts?

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Thats true, but it’s actually decreasing instead of increasing the actual debt, as it has been on the rise since bush administration. Good to keep in mind that: While the debt has increased, the US economy for reducing the debt has gotten stronger as well. Let’s crunch some numbers shall we? If you look at the numbers alone you notice that Bush has made: $4.9 trillion debt which was 86% increase in debt. Obama 13.9 Trillion which is actually over two times the amount. And Obama Herited all the Bush administration expenses too. Of the entire debt china and japan own by the way 2,4 trillion alone from the public debts. And during the entire bush administration the rate of GDP growth was less than the growth of debth.

Good to remember that during bush administration the national debt increased by 86%. But if we look at the costs by bush policies and Obama policies we can see that: Obama’s policies have cost less than a trillion, while Bush’s cost 5,1 trillion.

You also have to take into account that the year of 2009, in which the debt escalated rapidly, was not the blame of Obama. A new president is forced to adopt the old president’s fiscal policies for one year, before they can implement their own more successfully. Therefore, excluding the stimulus package, one added year of debt can be mostly attributed to Bush and his policies. And he inherited 2 wars.

Now concidering all that, Obama has done damn well! And the national debt is actually going down. (For now.) Experts say that if trump’s suggested policies take place the debt will double again. How things are now, they are getting better slowly. But keep in mind that same goes for most world countries who also struggle with debts.

Trump would win:

Obama signed the FY2009 budget, not Bush.

The last budget Bush signed had a $ 459 billion deficit. The projected deficit in FY2017 is $503 billion. Maybe you can explain how that amounts to a decrease.

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“By a few metrics, debt has doubled during the Obama presidency. The
blame though is not only on him because some of the debt increase over
the past eight years was already expected to occur, and Congress had to
approve bills that increased the debt. Interestingly, debt held by the
public would double
again by 2024 under Trump’s proposed plans – so while he is right about
what’s happened under President Obama’s watch, his plan will make the
problem worse.” Source: Committee for a responsible federal budget.

Uh… what?? It’s true the debt increased but it’s actually decreasing?

Where are you getting this? One Obama policy (stimulus package) was $831 billion. You’re saying that ALL of his other policies cost less than $169 billion?

Again, no, it hasn’t. It has gone up. This is factual, and very easy to find out.

There is absolutely no way attacking Republicans, Paul Ryan, or any governor/senator in a race right now is good for either Trump or the GOP house/senate.

I agree with usmcc, the writing is on the wall and I think he knows it.

Check out this shocking poll, tied in UTAH, only 2 percentage points ahead of Evan McMullin:

“The poll, first reported by the Deseret News and conducted by Salt Lake City-based Y2 Analytics, puts both Trump and Hillary Clinton at 26 percent with likely voters in Utah, just 2 percentage points ahead of independent conservative candidate Evan McMullin. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson polled at 14 percent.”

The U.S. debt is at $19.6T as of this morning and it is going up not down. I don’t really care who spent more between Obama and Bush. It’s irrelevant. You said the debt has gone down under President Obama and that is not true by any measure.

The rest of what you wrote has nothing to do with what you claimed.

We’ve recovered 97.8% of TARP funds.

Plus profit:

Obama’s package was not exactly awesome…

Uhuh, how’s his healthcare plan going cost wise?

I’m not sure how you hit $20T without the debt increasing.

Has nothing to do with your claim that Obama has lowered the debt.

No one is arguing about who is to blame. You made a claim that the debt has decreased under President Obama. That claim is false.

You’re sort of all over the place my man…

Now ur getting there:
Well bush signed 4/12 of it Just guess which parts… :stuck_out_tongue: So it could have been Democrat way of tossing the blame to Bush administration. But the thing is, no mater who created it or signed it, it was nessacity non the less caussed by the Bush administration.

How I see it: Obama’s entire presidency was acting as flood controller.

Remembering all that, do people really want president who can cause even more damage to the US economics?