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[quote]Bismark wrote:
…Setting aside the unconstitutionality in relation to US citizens who happen to be Muslims…
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You’d better set it aside because he did.
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His campaign clarified his plan after the initial wave of outrage, which is why I wrote the above. It doesn’t make his policy prescription any less ridiculous, counterproductive, or blatantly illegal.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Smh, I’ll tell you another reason Trump keeps climbing and it’s not because of their alleged stupidity.[/quote]
Their stupidity is certain, not alleged. Again, Donald Trump is a conspiracy theorist. And an idiot. And all the other things I’ve shown, none of them relying on anything less than an objective fact.
So, again, they’re stupid. They’re pushing an unelectable, unfit-for-the-office, conspiracy-theorist buffoon, and they’re doing it in part because well shucks, people they don’t like don’t like him (aside: these same people don’t like East Coast, educated people like me, and I despise the Supreme Leader of Iran, so uh, would they vote for him?). Nevermind that Trump’s critics include every sentient, minimally-intelligent person in America. Nevermind that they are furthermore objectively correct.
Again, a conspiracy theorist (among many other things, many of which I’ve documented) is the GOP frontrunner. Stupid people are responsible for this, and the operative feature of the whole state of affairs is their stupidity. Literally: you have to be stupid to be a Trump supporter. And the rest of us are going to laugh when the whole ship begins to deservedly sink. I’m already getting a chuckle going.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Does temporarily barring Muslim foreigners from visiting or immigrating violate the 1st Amendment? If so, tell me how.[/quote]
How does building a religious test into state policy violate the First Amendment? You know the answer to that one.
People have had a grand time observing that potential visitors/immigrants do not have Constitutional rights. Unfortunately, the clause according to which the state may not dole its favor or disfavor among religions is object-independent: it restrains a characteristic intrinsic to certain kinds of government behavior.[/quote]
I disagree.
Read the dissent in this piece for all the good reasons why: Congress to Consider Easing Passage into U.S. for Immigrants - Washington Free Beacon
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The article doesn’t address what I said. Again, of course potential immigrants do not have Constitutional rights. This doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that policy built of a religious test very clearly violates the Establishment Clause, which proscribes characteristics intrinsic to laws and policy themselves, not treatment of certain peoples.
Edit: Fixed quotations.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Smh, I’ll tell you another reason Trump keeps climbing and it’s not because of their alleged stupidity.[/quote]
Their stupidity is certain, not alleged. Again, Donald Trump is a conspiracy theorist. And an idiot. And all the other things I’ve shown, none of them relying on anything less than an objective fact.
So, again, they’re stupid. They’re pushing an unelectable, unfit-for-the-office, conspiracy-theorist buffoon, and they’re doing it in part because well shucks, people they don’t like don’t like him (aside: these same people don’t like East Coast, educated people like me, and I despise the Supreme Leader of Iran, so uh, would they vote for him?). Nevermind that Trump’s critics include every sentient, minimally-intelligent person in America. Nevermind that they are furthermore objectively correct.
Again, a conspiracy theorist (among many other things, many of which I’ve documented) is the GOP frontrunner. Stupid people are responsible for this, and the operative feature of the whole state of affairs is their stupidity. Literally: you have to be stupid to be a Trump supporter. And the rest of us are going to laugh when the whole ship begins to deservedly sink. I’m already getting a chuckle going.[/quote]
We’ll see.[/quote]
As a GOP strategist points out, “We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job. It’s not just that it could be somebody Hillary could destroy electorally, but what if Hillary hits a banana peel and this person becomes president?” Anyway you cut it, a Trump nomination will do significant damage to the GOP brand, and arguably to American soft power. It’s already occurring. The party will be slapped across the board a la Barry Goldwater in 1964 or George McGovern in 1972. Trump is great as far as Democrats are concerned. He’s a disaster for the GOP>
14 references to Trump being a ‘conspiracy theorist’ in 4 of your last 7 posts smh_23?
[quote]treco wrote:
14 references to Trump being a ‘conspiracy theorist’ in 4 of your last 7 posts smh_23?
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Thick skulls crack only after many blows.
Why, does it offend you to be reminded that Trump is a conspiracy theorist? Surely it can’t offend you more than the fact that the “conservative” party’s frontrunner is a buffoon, an idiot, and a quack. And, oh yes, a conspiracy theorist. Frontrunning the GOP field. It’s fucking hilarious, the stupidity.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
…somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job…
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By Rand Paul
The Obama White House has the nerve to say someone else is unqualified for office. After five years of acting like a King and ignoring our constitution, that takes a lot of nerve.
I would like to put a mirror in front of the Obama White House and show them the top 15 things that make HIM unqualified:
Tried to take over 1/6 of economy in Obamacare, wrecked the system and hurt patients and taxpayers.
Thinks an executive order is legislation and how you make law.
Fought an undeclared, unconstitutional war in Libya, turned it into Jihadist wonderland.
Fighting an undeclared, unconstitutional war in Syria, trying to put ISIS in Damascus.
Signed into law the indefinite detention of American citizens.
His copy of the bill of rights obviously goes from 1 to 3, skipping Second Amendment.
Court ruled his NSA spying on every American was illegal.
He has added more debt than anyone in history.
Appointed an attorney general who thinks speech against Muslims is a bigger threat than terrorism.
EPA rules by executive FIAT trying to kill an entire American industry and way of life (coal).
Declared Amnesty through executive order.
Administration believes climate change is a bigger threat than, and somehow related to, terrorism.
It took a 13-hour filibuster before he would answer if he would kill American citizens on American soil with a drone.
Obamacare for everyone in America except those within the White House.
Sending billions of dollars in aid, F16 planes, and tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood when they were in charge in Egypt.[/quote]
^ has next to nothing to with Donald Trump seeking the presidency. Stop deflecting the discussion toward Obama and answer the question being posed. Do you genuinely believe that Trump has the ability and temperament to be President of the United States of America? If yes, then you, like him, are an idiot. I don’t believe you’re an idiot Push. Far from it.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
He has the Democrats pissed off because he is the anti-PC.[/quote]
No. He has the Democrats acting pissed off and aghast in public while privately wondering what they ever did to deserve such a generous gift from the electoral gods.
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Though I don’t like Trump, I love what he is doing.[/quote]
Then you’re the problem. There is a bizarre willingness among conservatives to accept or at least weirdly appreciate – and to obliquely, furtively defend – whatever ludicrous riff-raff or conspiracy theorist or bumbling idiot stumbles onto the political stage. This is looking more and more likely to help Clinton to the presidency, and there’s no reason to believe any of it will stop there.
You’re going to deserve the I-told-you-so’s.[/quote]
I have said numerous times that I will not vote for Trump. I absolutely do not want him as the next president. When I say I love what he is doing, I mean to say I love that he is exposing everyone for who they really are. Whether planned or not, Trump has managed to shine light on the true nature of the media, democrats, and the GOP to the average voter. It is freaking people out and it is freaking you out.
Without Trump immigration would not be the front and center issue that it is and deserves to be this election cycle. Without Trump being in the running, we get stuck with Jeb Bush as the nominee.
Again, I do not want Trump as the nominee. I want him to drop out. But I want him do drop out after losing on substance to a better candidate, not being taken out by a media/democrat/gop smear campaign. Trump is the beginning of a change in the way campaigns are run, and how they are covered. A lot of people are very nervous.
Right-wing enablers of Trump need to read this, maybe even memorize it:
Related: how an opportunistic political shapeshifter has become the true conservative voice of authenticity against the phonies is simply baffling.
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
He has the Democrats pissed off because he is the anti-PC.[/quote]
No. He has the Democrats acting pissed off and aghast in public while privately wondering what they ever did to deserve such a generous gift from the electoral gods.
Uh, no. It is freaking intelligent Republicans out. Democrats are absolutely delighted. And I am entertained, because I enjoy denigrating idiots, and Trump has brought many out for ridicule.
Actually, if I’m being honest, I’m a little sad and angry. Not because Trump scares me or will win, but because I like this country and the collapse of one of its parties will be bad for its future.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]cire13 wrote:
If Trump wins the nomination, you can say goodbye to the Republican party. Most American’s will look upon his nomination as a joke. The International community will do so as well. The Republican Party will spend years trying to regain its reputation. [/quote]
You’re a foreigner, aren’t you?[/quote]
He may be, but he’s dead right about this.
Donald Trump’s most recent foray into the political world, prior to this election cycle, consisted of a public push for birtherism. Birtherism was a conspiracy theory, no less clownish than any other. This is the GOP front-runner – a conspiracy theorist who, in the course of peddling his conspiracy theory, acted every bit the stupid, lying buffoon, claiming to believe (and this is just one example of many) that the newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth in Hawaii had been fraudulently planted. Claiming, too, that the investigators he allegedly sent to Honolulu “cannot believe what they’re finding.” (No word, as of yet, on the object of their disbelief, though he still says he doesn’t know whether Obama was born in the US.)
There is, of course, so much more: his inability to think or speak clearly about anything is so severe that he has a remarkably difficult time conveying lucid thoughts at even a middle-school level of communication (just recently, he found himself repeatedly unable to say whether or not he is in favor of registering Muslims via a national database); he obviously makes all his bullshit up on the fly and is utterly disinterested in anything remotely resembling policy (note that ZEB, as GOP-biased as any person of whom we can possibly conceive, has repeatedly called him a policy lightweight); he is the least masculine presidential candidate in American history, staying up all night in order to exclamation-point his way through one-sided Twitter catfights with Megyn Kelly.
The list goes on and on. But all I really need is that second paragraph above. (Somebody go ahead and try to refute a word of it.) Again: a conspiracy theorist is the Republican frontrunner. The stupid party is showing us that it is literally that.
Donald Trump is an idiot, and his supporters are – by definition – idiots. Complete, utter idiots. Every one of them. They are supporting a candidate who is unelectable – and unfit for the office – not as a matter of policy disagreement, not because he’s flip-flopped or lied (as every politician has since the dawn of cooperative civilization), but at the most fundamental possible level. He is not remotely close to winning the White House, and he never will be. But he has done two things: he’s damaged the Republican party, and he’s given those of us who are academically interested in such matters a general answer to the question “What percentage of GOP voters are truly, irredeemably stupid.”[/quote]
Really, really well-said. And as someone who won’t vote for Hillary (probably*) the truth is she would do far less damage to American honor than Trump would.
*Caveat: I’d never vote for Hillary on the basis of thinking she is someone I’d want as president in any era. But I’ve moved out of the camp of not voting for either a Trump or Hillary if those are my choices, and into the camp of considering a vote for divided government if someone like Trump becomes the GOP candidate. The damage done by a Trump administration with the help of a GOP-controlled Congress is a far worse outcome than a Hillary administration fighting with a GOP Congress for four years and only passing incremental bills. A vote for divided government is often a vote well cast when your only options are two different type of manure, as we seem to have today.[/quote]
This doesn’t surprise me at all. You remind me of the GHWB wing in 1980. That wing, along with its leader, viciously and relentlessly attacked Reagan as an idiot and ideologue back in the day.
NOTE: I am not a Trump supporter.
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Super. I’ll try to find a way to sleep tonight. But unless you think Trump is like Reagan, this is a dumb comparison. Do you think Trump is like Reagan?