The Next President of the United States: III

[quote]pushharder wrote:
This might just be the best piece I’ve read on the Trump phenomenon:

When the shit hits the fan, people instinctively want to hear the truth, even if it doesn’t make them feel all warm and cozy. You can’t fix a lie, the original premise is based on falsehoods.

People realize the political correctness has gotten way overboard, and now it’s threatening our safety and way of life, the silent majority is no longer remaining silent.

I was watching an old stand-up comedy routine by Richard Pryor last night, and he was hilarious. He insulted pretty much everyone, even himself. But when it was done, I realized that there is no possible way it would fly in today’s climate. So many delicate little flowers who get offended so easily.

When the Charlie Hebdo attacks happened, and all the clowns kept saying “je suis Charlie Hebdo (I am Charlie Hebdo)”, I though, there is no way in hell Charlie Hebdo would be allowed in America these days. Does anyone here think the Left would allow a mockery of the prophet, at the same time having no problem making fun of Christians and Catholics ?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Does anyone here think the Left would allow a mockery of the prophet, at the same time having no problem making fun of Christians and Catholics ?[/quote]

If terrorists didn’t say that they’ll blow people up, then ya, probably.

I don’t agree with the rationales most of the people here seem to give for why PC is pushed. I don’t think it’s some grand diabolical scheme by liberals to control some narrative (this doesn’t mean that there AREN’T some liberals who are doing this with a diabolical scheme to control the narrative). Rather, I think it’s simply overreaction by a group of people who feel fear about what’s going on in their surroundings.

Ostensibly speaking, the key difference between liberals and conservatives is their view of the purpose of government. I think part of the definition for a committed liberal is that one believes government power should be wielded to create a better world, whatever that may be. Conservatives ostensibly believe otherwise.

Given this, one could argue that liberals and conservatives are directly at odds with one another, not only on opinions of various issues but how to solve them. It only seems natural that the dialogue will become more and more hostile as time goes on. Escalation can only lead to further escalation.

Liberals do the same fucking thing. They think conservatives are attempting to push some diabolical scheme to control the narrative and conquer the world (hence the hostility to Christianity that seems all but normal to politicized liberals). I also don’t agree with this. I think most of y’all are simply scared that the world will push your values aside and ultimately obliterate it from existence.

I think the common folk on both sides are scared for their lives.

I’m conservative and I don’t see anyone running for the Republican nomination that has a chance at president. Most represent such a small radical part of the Republican party that they would lose on a much larger stage. At this point in my life I have no idea what happened to the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan would be considered a RINO at this point. I wish there was a reasonable person running against Hillary. I would happily vote for them. However she will win. And the only good thing about her winning is I believe she is a lot more hawkish than Obama

[quote]cire13 wrote:
I’m conservative and I don’t see anyone running for the Republican nomination that has a chance at president. Most represent such a small radical part of the Republican party that they would lose on a much larger stage. At this point in my life I have no idea what happened to the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan would be considered a RINO at this point. I wish there was a reasonable person running against Hillary. I would happily vote for them.[/quote]

Nonsense!

There are a wide variety of candidates who would be able to beat Hillary. Some by large margins others barely squeaking past. As for the republican party it has been pulled right just as the democratic party was pulled left by Obummer. However candidates like Christie, Bush, Kasich are quite middle of the road. That’s probably why none of the three are doing well. The republican voters want red meat after 8 years of left wing mistakes.

Granted Trump would be a bad idea. But even Trump (and you may disagree) has a reasonable chance of beating Hillary. Then of course we would have Trump as President…In a recent poll Hillary and Trump are a virtual tie. Yes, that’s how unpopular Hillary is.

I’ve said this many times so those who have read it before please forgive me. Marco Rubio would absolutely Trounce Hillary in a general election. Especially if he chose Kasich the Gov of Ohio as his VP. It’s really pretty simple, if the republicans win Ohio and Florida they win the White House…in most cases. I don’t see them losing any red states to Hillary. In fact there might be a pick up of one or two states should Rubio get the nomination. Wisconsin for example where there is a strong republican Governor.

So vote for Rubio when he wins the nomination and you will keep Hillary Scrotum Clinton out of the White House.

Very True!

Ralph Peters calls Obama ‘a total pussy’ on live television

[quote]pushharder wrote:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/08/how_donald_trump_plays_the_media

Do you agree?[/quote]

I don’t disagree he owns the media or he says outlandish things. The one things the article seemed to gloss over was the fact that what he says isn’t possible, its unconstitutional, and it alienates any voter who isn’t a true believer in Trump.

“He’s confident that a lot of his voters are gonna be able to strip away the bombast and be able to get to the nuts and bolts of what he’s saying, the kernel of truth of what he’s saying.”

I think that ending statement is the position he’s taken. The Trump supporters I have talked to have not given me confidence in their position. They have no facts or policy to support what will be improved, but they “know” it will get fixed by Trump even though he has not said anything to address that problem and has no experience doing it. He offers no policy, no specific proposals, he just says whatever will get the most attention. He is making the presidential race a reality TV show, and I’m embarrassed that people support it.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Ralph Peters calls Obama ‘a total pussy’ on live television
[/quote]

Well, he may have chosen his words better for national television. But, he’s certainly correct in his statements. He has certainly done harm to Police departments across the country with his anti-cop rhetoric. And of course he continues to claim that ISIS is on the run, or that they’re the JV team and Americans have died because of it.

Yeah…among many other things Obama is a total pussy.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/08/how_donald_trump_plays_the_media

Do you agree?[/quote]

Tough to argue with any of what Rush has written. In fact, one of my neighbors is a doctor and we occasionally meet in the yard as our driveways are close together. He is a Trump supporter and he claims that the overwhelming majority of those who work in the large medical building where he has an office are Trump supporters as well.

One would think that all of the Trump supporters are Bubba’s but that’s not the case. My question to him the other day was don’t you think that Trump is over the top with this latest tirade against Muslims? His answer was “well yeah his delivery is wild but that’s just to get the media’s attention. If you think about it though he has a point doesn’t he? And after all look what we’ve had to put up with over the past 7 years?”

Yes, Rush is correct in his analysis but there is even more here.

It made me think that in an odd sort of way Obama has created this Trump mania. After all has any democratic President been hated as much by republicans as Barack Obama? Trump is giving the republicans the red meat that they want so badly. The other candidates with their reasonable deliveries, and well thought out policy positions just don’t seem to measure up to those who just can’t stand Obama/Hillary. Yes, they know what they’re talking about, yes they have the experience to lead and certainly most any one of them would defeat Hillary. But as crazy as it sounds many republicans want even more. They apparently want someone who talks like them ripping Hillary and the left with no regard. Almost like a fight where even if your man is winning he’s just not winning by enough because you hate his opponent so much. Many can think back to the Rousey fight where the audience was screaming for Holly Holm to do even more to the ineffective Rousey (sorry for the reference if you’re not an MMA fan).

The good doctor remains a Trump supporter.

I walked away thinking that Marco Rubio will lose to Trump if this very well educated man (and others like him) is a Trump supporter. Of course I have not thrown the chips in just yet. But the things that I thought would sink Trump a few months back only seem to bolster his candidacy and I must say I have never seen anything like this in Presidential politics…not ever. And if every action has a direct and opposite reaction Trump is surely the response to Obama.

If Trump were the nominee is there enough support out there for him to actually win? Are there enough blue collar democrats who hate illegal immigration from Mexico, and are pro gun who would vote for Trump over Hillary?
A couple of months ago I would have said no, but now I’m not so sure.

I will continue to support Marco Rubio for President. And my head tells me that Cruz will win Iowa and Rubio will win New Hampshire. But, if Trump wins both and heads into south Carolina with such great momentum it is pretty much over he will be unstoppable.

And then what?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I will continue to support Marco Rubio for President. And my head tells me that Cruz will win Iowa and Rubio will win New Hampshire. But, if Trump wins both and heads into south Carolina with such great momentum it is pretty much over he will be unstoppable.

And then what?[/quote]

I think you might be overlooking the process of the nominee where delegates are proportional to the vote, not winner take all (some states are winner take all). Trump could win with ~30%, but he has alienated everybody else and they could team up to take him down. I don’t see any of the candidates putting their support behind him and would support whoever is left standing against Trump. I think it will be a very interesting primary.

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I will continue to support Marco Rubio for President. And my head tells me that Cruz will win Iowa and Rubio will win New Hampshire. But, if Trump wins both and heads into south Carolina with such great momentum it is pretty much over he will be unstoppable.

And then what?[/quote]

I think you might be overlooking the process of the nominee where delegates are proportional to the vote, not winner take all (some states are winner take all). Trump could win with ~30%, but he has alienated everybody else and they could team up to take him down. I don’t see any of the candidates putting their support behind him and would support whoever is left standing against Trump. I think it will be a very interesting primary.

[/quote]

Where the end result is an open convention where the nominee is chosen. And they choose…they choose…Romney!

ha ha just kidding. But I do agree it is not over for many reasons. You have stated one of those reasons there are others. I still do not underestimate Trumps ability to eventually shoot himself in the foot. I will continue to believe that the best most capable republican to run against Hillary and win and also most importantly be a good President will eventually be chosen.

But then again I am one very optimistic individual.

If Trump wins the nomination, you can say goodbye to the Republican party. Most American’s will look upon his nomination as a joke. The International community will do so as well. The Republican Party will spend years trying to regain its reputation.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]cire13 wrote:
If Trump wins the nomination, you can say goodbye to the Republican party. Most American’s will look upon his nomination as a joke. The International community will do so as well. The Republican Party will spend years trying to regain its reputation. [/quote]

You’re a foreigner, aren’t you?[/quote]

And we easily remember that the experts said that Dems had dealt the deathblow to GOP after Obama got reelected, and it would soon disappear.
That sure proved ‘true’ with hundreds of elected positions flipping over to GOP in the last several elections.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]cire13 wrote:
If Trump wins the nomination, you can say goodbye to the Republican party. Most American’s will look upon his nomination as a joke. The International community will do so as well. The Republican Party will spend years trying to regain its reputation. [/quote]

You’re a foreigner, aren’t you?[/quote]

He may be, but he’s dead right about this.

Donald Trump’s most recent foray into the political world, prior to this election cycle, consisted of a public push for birtherism. Birtherism was a conspiracy theory, no less clownish than any other. This is the GOP front-runner – a conspiracy theorist who, in the course of peddling his conspiracy theory, acted every bit the stupid, lying buffoon, claiming to believe (and this is just one example of many) that the newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth in Hawaii had been fraudulently planted. Claiming, too, that the investigators he allegedly sent to Honolulu “cannot believe what they’re finding.” (No word, as of yet, on the object of their disbelief, though he still says he doesn’t know whether Obama was born in the US.)

There is, of course, so much more: his inability to think or speak clearly about anything is so severe that he has a remarkably difficult time conveying lucid thoughts at even a middle-school level of communication (just recently, he found himself repeatedly unable to say whether or not he is in favor of registering Muslims via a national database); he obviously makes all his bullshit up on the fly and is utterly disinterested in anything remotely resembling policy (note that ZEB, as GOP-biased as any person of whom we can possibly conceive, has repeatedly called him a policy lightweight); he is the least masculine presidential candidate in American history, staying up all night in order to exclamation-point his way through one-sided Twitter catfights with Megyn Kelly.

The list goes on and on. But all I really need is that second paragraph above. (Somebody go ahead and try to refute a word of it.) Again: a conspiracy theorist is the Republican frontrunner. The stupid party is showing us that it is literally that.

Donald Trump is an idiot, and his supporters are – by definition – idiots. Complete, utter idiots. Every one of them. They are supporting a candidate who is unelectable – and unfit for the office – not as a matter of policy disagreement, not because he’s flip-flopped or lied (as every politician has since the dawn of cooperative civilization), but at the most fundamental possible level. He is not remotely close to winning the White House, and he never will be. But he has done two things: he’s damaged the Republican party, and he’s given those of us who are academically interested in such matters a general answer to the question “What percentage of GOP voters are truly, irredeemably stupid.”

[quote]cire13 wrote:
If Trump wins the nomination, you can say goodbye to the Republican party. Most American’s will look upon his nomination as a joke. The International community will do so as well. The Republican Party will spend years trying to regain its reputation. [/quote]

(Clears throat) You’re full of shit!

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]cire13 wrote:
If Trump wins the nomination, you can say goodbye to the Republican party. Most American’s will look upon his nomination as a joke. The International community will do so as well. The Republican Party will spend years trying to regain its reputation. [/quote]

You’re a foreigner, aren’t you?[/quote]

He may be, but he’s dead right about this.

Donald Trump’s most recent foray into the political world, prior to this election cycle, consisted of a public push for birtherism. Birtherism was a conspiracy theory, no less clownish than any other. This is the GOP front-runner – a conspiracy theorist who, in the course of peddling his conspiracy theory, acted every bit the stupid, lying buffoon, claiming to believe (and this is just one example of many) that the newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth in Hawaii had been fraudulently planted. Claiming, too, that the investigators he allegedly sent to Honolulu “cannot believe what they’re finding.” (No word, as of yet, on the object of their disbelief, though he still says he doesn’t know whether Obama was born in the US.)

There is, of course, so much more: his inability to think or speak clearly about anything is so severe that he has a remarkably difficult time conveying lucid thoughts at even a middle-school level of communication (just recently, he found himself repeatedly unable to say whether or not he is in favor of registering Muslims via a national database); he obviously makes all his bullshit up on the fly and is utterly disinterested in anything remotely resembling policy (note that ZEB, as GOP-biased as any person of whom we can possibly conceive, has repeatedly called him a policy lightweight); he is the least masculine presidential candidate in American history, staying up all night in order to exclamation-point his way through one-sided Twitter catfights with Megyn Kelly.

The list goes on and on. But all I really need is that second paragraph above. (Somebody go ahead and try to refute a word of it.) Again: a conspiracy theorist is the Republican frontrunner. The stupid party is showing us that it is literally that.

Donald Trump is an idiot, and his supporters are – by definition – idiots. Complete, utter idiots. Every one of them. They are supporting a candidate who is unelectable – and unfit for the office – not as a matter of policy disagreement, not because he’s flip-flopped or lied (as every politician has since the dawn of cooperative civilization), but at the most fundamental possible level. He is not remotely close to winning the White House, and he never will be. But he has done two things: he’s damaged the Republican party, and he’s given those of us who are academically interested in such matters a general answer to the question “What percentage of GOP voters are truly, irredeemably stupid.”[/quote]

Really, really well-said. And as someone who won’t vote for Hillary (probably*) the truth is she would do far less damage to American honor than Trump would.

*Caveat: I’d never vote for Hillary on the basis of thinking she is someone I’d want as president in any era. But I’ve moved out of the camp of not voting for either a Trump or Hillary if those are my choices, and into the camp of considering a vote for divided government if someone like Trump becomes the GOP candidate. The damage done by a Trump administration with the help of a GOP-controlled Congress is a far worse outcome than a Hillary administration fighting with a GOP Congress for four years and only passing incremental bills. A vote for divided government is often a vote well cast when your only options are two different type of manure, as we seem to have today.