And it has been my observation that the folks who are generally suspicious of government intentions, and the ability to restrict itself to the original intent of new supposedly limited powers, are typically the same ones willing to give their blessing to the government’s adventures with torture. Torture. One of those things you would’ve expected to be at the very top of the “do not allow the government to even begin getting its hand on!” list. Puzzling.
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You cannot win a war using rules that the other side does not observe.
It would be like playing football against a team using guns instead of blocking…and wondering why you were losing.
Anybody who blows people the fuck up, people who have zero connection to the conflict…and count it as a one way ticket to paradise, those fuckers do not count as humans anymore. Therefore they are not to be treated as such.
Anyways, perhaps Trump’s nomination (and Clinton’s easy win) might at least allow us to see Presidential election history being made.
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You’re sure? It might be that by using their rules they ultimately win. Hey, the already have you considering the use of torture out of fear. A leading Nominee is suggesting we target non-combatants. Who knows what comes next should we begin down this road. And it might be a very, very, very, long road.
If there is an end to this I’d like to still be able to recognize my country. They will not begin making me into them because I fear them more than I believe in what I thought we, the US of A, believe in.
I was using the situation of capturing a combatant, who was in the process of carrying out an act of terror on a civilian population.
Perhaps our intelligence suspects that he knows of a far bigger plot, perhaps a weapon of mass destruction smuggled in by a massive wave of refugees from some foreign land.
How would you suggest acquiring this information, that had the potential to save a massive amount of lives from this obviously hardened fanatic?
Ask him nicely? Offer him a plea-bargain? Good cop, bad cop?
I’m guessing throughout history…the good ol’ US of A has used seriously nasty techniques to acquire such information, stuff that might prove icky to your sensibilities…but it allows you and your family and friends to sleep safely at night.
War as they say is hell, and our enemy has proven to be in it to win it by any and ALL means necessary…and for the long haul it would seem.
Are we willing to do what it takes to survive, or go down the drain with our heads held high in 25 years.
Because I guarantee Jihad Johnny gives ZERO FUCKS about playing fair.
And I’m not willing to become Jihad Johnny or let him set the tone for the United States of America.
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Our principles are (if my BS in Poly Sci serves me correctly) are…
Popular Sovereignty
Limited Government
Separation of Powers
Checks and Balances
Federalism
Judicial Review
So all those wars we won by any means necessary mean jack nothing? I don’t see warfare stacked neatly into any catagory. I mean sure, you could put rule of law in there…but ask any marine (I have had the pleasure of speaking to quite a few) who has been to the sandbox and back, they tell a FAR different tale than the romantic notion you seem to have of how to win wars.
We would have never won WWI or WWII fighting the way some would have us. Torture is not even top 20 of the things we need to be doing more of to win this war…we have to BE IN IT TO WIN.
The radical Islamic faith has been doing this for thousands of years, far longer than the date most attribute (1095, the start of the Crusades.) and they are never going to stop…the sooner we wrap our heads around this the better off we are.
I truly wish we could go face to face with them and give um the ol’ “put up yer dukes partner” line…but that shit ain’t gonna happen.
I mean if the law of the land ='s the tone and principles of America.
Then aborting 7 month old babies is the tone and principle of America.
Yep. It’s long passed the time to start exercising some cultural relativism as it is being applied to taking lives.
Cruz better get ahead of these claims of having had 5 affairs, because the debacle today on CNN looks really bad.
From the Daily Beast:
Trump has repeatedly praised Pecker and tweeted several times in 2013 that his pal should be named the new CEO of Time magazine.
Trump may have a little something of his own to get out in front of…
Are you pro-torture?
And what’s so hard to believe about them wanting us to alienate ourselves from our allies who begin to work and cooperate less and less with us because of the methods we adopt? Or,having a new recruitment point against us?
How could waterboarding possibly work? Not being torture and all surely there’s no reason to talk.
Not logical. Non-torture MAKING someone talk who would die on the battlefield, on a suicide attack, or rot in a prison cell… Unless, the whole “waterboarding is not-torture” deal is the ludicrous argument it appears to be.