Rubio SEEMS to be picking up some steam and endorsements by “the Establishment” Republicans.
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Rubio will become one of the good ole boys. Gang of eight, TPP. He was sent to Washington with the Tea party wave, and has been slowly corrupted ever since. [/quote]
The TPP is a free trade agreement. Why would a staunch free market capitalist like yourself take issue with it? [/quote]
TPP is a free trade agreement like the Patriot act is patriotic, or how the SAFE act keeps New Yorkers safe. Just because they call it free trade, doesn’t make it so.
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Bis, I can’t do better than this in answer to your question to me.[/quote]
You can’t do better than an emotive, partisan critique of a document neither of you had read? The TPP is by definition a free trade agreement. It lowers tariffs, quotas, and other trade barriers. You won’t find a reputable international or political economist that states otherwise. [/quote]
I do not think anyone argues that the Trans-Pacific-partnership, Trans-atlantic-partnership or TISA are not free trade agreements, but even People who often are pro free trade are also sceptical to corporate tribunals wich can override Democracy.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
In today’s highly competitive global marketplace, even small increases in a product’s cost due to tariffs or non-tariff barriers can mean the difference between success and failure for a business. The TPP reduces lowers barriers to trade, that is, tariffs and quotas. It is by definition a free trade agreement. The I.S. economy will only benefit from the agreement.
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You may be right about this BUT the potential positives may very well be offset by the loss of sovereignty.
Put the consequences on the proverbial scale and weigh them. I think the scale leans one way and you the other; that’s how it goes.[/quote]
Loss of sovereignty? That trite, ahistorical, neo-isolationist spiel? You would prefer autarky to free trade agreements that further solidify the United States status as the most powerful state in the international system?
Rubio SEEMS to be picking up some steam and endorsements by “the Establishment” Republicans.
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Rubio will become one of the good ole boys. Gang of eight, TPP. He was sent to Washington with the Tea party wave, and has been slowly corrupted ever since. [/quote]
The TPP is a free trade agreement. Why would a staunch free market capitalist like yourself take issue with it? [/quote]
TPP is a free trade agreement like the Patriot act is patriotic, or how the SAFE act keeps New Yorkers safe. Just because they call it free trade, doesn’t make it so.
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Bis, I can’t do better than this in answer to your question to me.[/quote]
You can’t do better than an emotive, partisan critique of a document neither of you had read? The TPP is by definition a free trade agreement. It lowers tariffs, quotas, and other trade barriers. You won’t find a reputable international or political economist that states otherwise. [/quote]
I do not think anyone argues that the Trans-Pacific-partnership, Trans-atlantic-partnership or TISA are not free trade agreements, but even People who often are pro free trade are also sceptical to corporate tribunals wich can override Democracy. [/quote]
They deny the agreement is free trade at all, in spite of the fact that is what the TPP is by definition. Theirs is an ideological qualm, not an economic one. Free market capitalism and liberal democracy are symbiotic.
They deny the agreement is free trade at all, in spite of the fact that is what the TPP is by definition. Theirs is an ideological qualm, not an economic one. [/quote]
We don’t have the full text yet, so you can not say for sure what TPP is “by definition.”
My qualm is both. I know the regime from which this filth is spewing. Do you think Obama called up Thomas Sowell and asked him to help draft a free trade deal?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Post your odds, TB. Not who you are supporting but how you think it shakes out.[/quote]
Hmm. I honestly believe Hillary won’t be the nominee of her party. I think some news erupts that invalidates her as a candidate. So I predict Biden (no way Sanders will be the nominee).
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I mean, humor me here.
Wouldn’t Biden just take votes from Hilary and therefore give it to Sanders?
What I’m asking, and for my blood pressure, how are you guys so confident he won’t win? Dude is drawing a lot of crowds, I see his bumper stickers all over MA and NH with a RI plate tossed in for good measure, NOT ONE SINGLE STICKER FROM ANYONE ELSE… Please walk me through how he doesn’t win the nomination.
If you’re going to tell me his is the Ron Paul of the D party… Okay, I’ll feel better, but ah… If I could see the step by step how he doesnt’ win that’d be wonderful. Thanks.
What I’m asking, and for my blood pressure, how are you guys so confident he won’t win? Dude is drawing a lot of crowds, I see his bumper stickers all over MA and NH with a RI plate tossed in for good measure, NOT ONE SINGLE STICKER FROM ANYONE ELSE… Please walk me through how he doesn’t win the nomination.[/quote]
If he wins, it’s a guaranteed victory for the Republicans; provided that they elect someone… sensible, like Donald Trump.
So Bernie Sanders winning the Dem. nomination shouldn’t raise your blood-pressure.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
If you’re going to tell me his is the Ron Paul of the D party… Okay, I’ll feel better, but ah… If I could see the step by step how he doesnt’ win that’d be wonderful. Thanks. [/quote]
I think you have a good handle on it beans. Bernie is a really popular sideshow. He is loved by many teens and 20 somethings because he wants to give them free stuff. He’s also loved by old hippies and other lazy types who feel that the government owes them even more. Next time he is speaking look at the people directly behind him. After doing that a few times you will realize that no matter how popular the left wing media wants him to be he will NEVER get elected to the Presidency.
It would be a happy day if he actually captured the democratic nomination.
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Incumbents, or those leading by sizable margins in the polls never want to debate as psychologically it makes everyone look equal.
But who knows? I don’t see the other candidates trapping Hillary, she’s to good of a liar. Of course they could mention her emails and Benghazi but I’m sure that wretch who is in charge of the DNC has warned them not to mention it.
HRC by 16%. Sanders is not going to bridge that gap.
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One more interesting point the Sanders line is trending up and the Hillary line trending down. Granted, I don’t think for a second that old Bernie will beat her just interesting to note it might be closer than it appears.