The Never-Ending Fascination with Tiger

Tiger I believe is popular because he’s a clean cut half black half asian guy. He gave the impression to white people and Japanese people (them wealthy Japanese businessmen LOVE golf) that he was conservative like them. Made them feel cool and stylish because he wore white instead of plaid and had just the right amount of swagger in his step.

I don’t consider gymnastics, racing, or golf to be sports. I do consider chess to be a sport. I don’t really think of Chess as a sport but it would be closer than the others, Chess requires a reaction against another person. The others don’t. Its a set routine. Weightlifting isn’t a sport either.

Tennis is a great sport.

Oh and for Olympics I want to start a petition to get Air Hockey in to the Winter Olympics as a juxtaposition to having Table Tennis in the Summer Olympics. Join the Facebook group: Make Air Hockey a Winter Olympic Sport

[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
Tiger I believe is popular because he’s a clean cut half black half asian guy. He gave the impression to white people and Japanese people (them wealthy Japanese businessmen LOVE golf) that he was conservative like them. Made them feel cool and stylish because he wore white instead of plaid and had just the right amount of swagger in his step.

I don’t consider gymnastics, racing, or golf to be sports. I do consider chess to be a sport. I don’t really think of Chess as a sport but it would be closer than the others, Chess requires a reaction against another person. The others don’t. Its a set routine. Weightlifting isn’t a sport either.

Tennis is a great sport.

Oh and for Olympics I want to start a petition to get Air Hockey in to the Winter Olympics as a juxtaposition to having Table Tennis in the Summer Olympics. Join the Facebook group: Make Air Hockey a Winter Olympic Sport[/quote]

Just to be picky, I think racing can involve a lot of action/reaction to opponents.

Psyching out before race, pacing, making breaks and cornering (depending of course, on whether it is car racing of foot racing). This said, I agree that this is less common than in head-on sports like hockey, footy, baseball.

Whenever I say that golf isn’t a sport, people assume I hate it or suck at it. I have nothing against it, and I admit it’s a tough game to play. My idea of a sport involves…

you know what, why am I doing this? I spent the entire first page making this argument.

and yes chess is a sport, one of the oldest still played.

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
Whenever I say that golf isn’t a sport, people assume I hate it or suck at it. I have nothing against it, and I admit it’s a tough game to play. My idea of a sport involves…

you know what, why am I doing this? I spent the entire first page making this argument.

and yes chess is a sport, one of the oldest still played.[/quote]

Come over to the dark side WWT. Beer, sun, fun, gambling. What else could you do in a day (you can bang when you get home) that could top it?

V

Whether something is a sport or not depends entirely on the participating individuals’ approach towards it. If you train for it, practice it, and compete in it, then it (the game/sport in question) is a sport. If you do it recreationally because it’s Saturday and it’s nice outside, then it’s a game.

(EDIT: Upon rereading, this first paragraph doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I should have said that whether or not someone is an athlete in a given sport depends on their approach to the sport.)

Also the game/sport has to require some level of athletic skill in its performance.

Athletic skills: endurance, strength, power, speed, agility, coordination, balance, and accuracy

Tiger Woods is an incredible athlete at the sport of golf. Tiger Woods is as good of an athlete at golf as Michael Jordan was in basketball. Hence the fascination with him. He is a once in a generation talent at his chosen sport (golf requires balance, coordination, and accuracy, hence it is a sport).

I read something a while back on the different levels of competition and how far removed they are from the most basic level of competition. They went something like this (to the best of my memory):

Level 0: Hand to hand combat, no rules (not a sport; this is combat)
Level I: Hand to hand combat, only cheap modes of attack made illegal (MMA)
Level II: Hand to hand combat, one specific discipline (boxing, wrestling, BJJ, muay thai)
Level III: Direct competition using physical contact as a primary means (football, rugby, hockey)
Level IV: Dircet competition with most physical contact outlawed (basketball, soccer)
Level V: Indirect modes of competition with objective scoring (golf, weightlifting, track and field, etc)
Level VI: Indirect modes of competition with subjective scoring (gymnastics, figure skating)

The only time the issue of whether something is a sport or not comes with levels 5 and 6.

Just because someone who is unathletic can play golf doesn’t take away from it being a sport. I know some people with no athletic ability that attempt to play basketball every summer, doesn’t mean Lebron James is not an athlete.

There’s also a tendancy to confuse athletic ability with athlete. There are people that can jump incredibly high who will never be an athlete, same with other endeavors. Hell there’s plenty of people on here who may be able to bench and squat more than many in the NFL who will never be able to over power them.

Most athletes tend to be great in whatever sport they play, Tiger just chose golf. Having the mental fortitude to dominate a field of competition using your hand eye coordination strength and power makes you a great athlete, Tiger does this. Look at lebron he did the same thing in HS football that he did in basketball. Even look at most of who you considered best athletes in your school, most of them were good in whatever sport they competed in.

If you run a 5.0 in practice, but when competing you run a 4.4 next to the guy that runs a 4.5 you will be a great athlete.

[quote]Magicpunch wrote:

[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
Tiger I believe is popular because he’s a clean cut half black half asian guy. He gave the impression to white people and Japanese people (them wealthy Japanese businessmen LOVE golf) that he was conservative like them. Made them feel cool and stylish because he wore white instead of plaid and had just the right amount of swagger in his step.

I don’t consider gymnastics, racing, or golf to be sports. I do consider chess to be a sport. I don’t really think of Chess as a sport but it would be closer than the others, Chess requires a reaction against another person. The others don’t. Its a set routine. Weightlifting isn’t a sport either.

Tennis is a great sport.

Oh and for Olympics I want to start a petition to get Air Hockey in to the Winter Olympics as a juxtaposition to having Table Tennis in the Summer Olympics. Join the Facebook group: Make Air Hockey a Winter Olympic Sport[/quote]

Just to be picky, I think racing can involve a lot of action/reaction to opponents.

Psyching out before race, pacing, making breaks and cornering (depending of course, on whether it is car racing of foot racing). This said, I agree that this is less common than in head-on sports like hockey, footy, baseball.[/quote]

Sorry racing against others in a no lane format I think is a sport. Racing with lanes I don’t consider sports.

Vegita…your advice you gave me in a PM last year made me have the best day of iron play I ever had. I kept telling myself, out loud even, hit down on the ball. Worked like a charm. And I was fucking tanked too lol.

It’s playing under pressure with all those people watching that impresses me the most when it comes to golf.

And isn’t it been proven that hitting a baseball is harder than any other, I’ll say game rather than sport.

FTR…Poker should not be on shown on a sports channel imo. I don’t get this. I can’t watch it with the sound on…those fucking guys are constantly playing with their chips and the sound drives me nuts./rant.

Apparently Tiger learned his randy ways from his old man lol.

[quote]Kanada wrote:
how is darts different from being a pitcher or a batter. You’re just hitting a ball outta the air/throwing a ball. Once the ball is hit, the pitcher rarely does something. [/quote]

This is about as bad a comparison as I’ve ever seen and shows an absolute lack of knowledge about baseball and darts. Whether or not you like or hate baseball, throwing a dart is about as comparable to batting or pitching as jumping is to space travel.

DB

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]stockzy wrote:
You need to define what is a game and what is a sport.
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i did.

a game is against the game.

a sport is against others playing the sport.

golf is against the course, or the game. football is against your opponent.[/quote]

Do you consider track a sport? Golf is not only against the course but how you fare in comparison to others going against the course, which is conceptually the same as sprinting against a field of other sprinters.

DB

For the record, I don’t have anything against golf or the people who are really into it. Once again, just trying delve deeper into the hysteria for it and why billions of dollars hinge on if Tiger decides to compete on any given day. It might also have a broader appeal to the type B people in society. I guess the non-contact, non-violence, quiet as a library thing might be a factor. I’d rather watch rugby.

Golf = Sport = Tim Daly = Athelete? I dont think so.

Tiger has been in the media since he was 3 years old, it doesnt suprise me he had a little kinky dark side. Any man who is worth that much money is going to have women throwing panties at him all fucking day. Period. Just cause you get steak every day he wanted a hamburger. Damn.

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Golf = Sport = Tim Daly = Athelete? I dont think so.
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john daly is my hero

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Golf = Sport = Tim Daly = Athelete? I dont think so.
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I don’t know how good of a golfer or athlete he is, but I think he’s a pretty good actor.

DB

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Golf = Sport = Tim Daly = Athelete? I dont think so.
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I don’t know how good of a golfer or athlete he is, but I think he’s a pretty good actor.

DB
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Damn my bad. That gave me a good chuckle. Shows how old I am.

[quote]biglifter wrote:
Seriously. Someone explain this to me, as I just don’t get it. I won’t even touch on moral failings, but what is the allure of someone who can walk up to a non-moving target and hit it pretty well?[/quote]

He is playing golf, which is a “gentleman’s game”. Basically meaning, what others have pretty much said, that rich white people hold the game in high regard. Anything that rich people of any color hold in high regard will be of significance in this world because rich people run this world. With that being said, many people like golf for other reasons. Some people like the fact that you are mainly playing against yourself and can only be mad at yourself when you don’t do well. Other’s look at it as some sort of calming experience because of the level of concentration required to play it well. And so on and so forth for the reasons. So to answer this question, there’s many reasons for the allure of golf.

Not everyone, but I’m sure a few people have done this. I don’t know any of them myself and would make fun of them if I did.

A combination of things, imho. One because, like it or not, he is playing a sport. Add onto that the people trying to promote the game of golf and make it more popular (and thusly more financially rewarding for all who are involved, for the most part) will consider him and every other player an athlete so that they can be comparable to other players in other sports.

The same way a teacher can make 30 or 40 grand a year, but a singer, who really has no true singing talent, yet still has a contract with a big record company, will make millions. It’s the way the entertainment industry works because there’s lots of money thrown into it. If you were a household name and managed to do some crazy weight on a big lift, then maybe you’d get more recognition, but since noone knows you but your family and friends, they will be the only ones watching most likely. That 3 under par performance has tv cameras and major networks showing (and promoting) it to anyone who wants to flip to the correct channel and reporters writing stories about it.

I think that competition is the defining factor as to whether something is a sport or not. If you’re competing, then it becomes a sport. Aside from the definitiong that was posted earlier, of course.

[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
Oh and for Olympics I want to start a petition to get Air Hockey in to the Winter Olympics as a juxtaposition to having Table Tennis in the Summer Olympics. Join the Facebook group: Make Air Hockey a Winter Olympic Sport[/quote]

I would sign that petition, make it happen

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]stockzy wrote:
You need to define what is a game and what is a sport.
[/quote]

i did.

a game is against the game.

a sport is against others playing the sport.

golf is against the course, or the game. football is against your opponent.[/quote]

Do you consider track a sport? Golf is not only against the course but how you fare in comparison to others going against the course, which is conceptually the same as sprinting against a field of other sprinters.

DB[/quote]

most, if not all, track and field events are not considered sports in my mind. Its you vs the environment. there is no direct intervention from the other players. Now, if Tiger had to run the length of the field and slam dunk the ball in the hole while dodging caddies, carts and competitors, not only would I consider it a sport, i’d actually fucking watch it!

track and field is the same way, you don’t have the runners in the other lanes trying to steal your baton in the 4x4. Nobody is intercepting your shot put. it’s you versus your time, being your best. You’re responsible for your own success. You lose the race because you didn’t play your best, not because you caught a left hook in the starting block.

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]stockzy wrote:
You need to define what is a game and what is a sport.
[/quote]

i did.

a game is against the game.

a sport is against others playing the sport.

golf is against the course, or the game. football is against your opponent.[/quote]

Do you consider track a sport? Golf is not only against the course but how you fare in comparison to others going against the course, which is conceptually the same as sprinting against a field of other sprinters.

DB[/quote]

most, if not all, track and field events are not considered sports in my mind. Its you vs the environment. there is no direct intervention from the other players. Now, if Tiger had to run the length of the field and slam dunk the ball in the hole while dodging caddies, carts and competitors, not only would I consider it a sport, i’d actually fucking watch it!

track and field is the same way, you don’t have the runners in the other lanes trying to steal your baton in the 4x4. Nobody is intercepting your shot put. it’s you versus your time, being your best. You’re responsible for your own success. You lose the race because you didn’t play your best, not because you caught a left hook in the starting block.[/quote]

Yet, track and field was an integral part of the original Olympics. Go figure. You have an odd definition of sports.

DB

“Green jacket gold jacket, who gives a shit?”