Well, I admire you therover, but good luck keeping this thread on track.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I saw about 10 Obama attack ads per McCain ad.
really?
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It was amazing. Not literally 10 to 1 but there were so many more Obama ads it was stunning and most of them were shots at McCain. Very little substance in them at all.
[quote]therover wrote:
Hope conquered fear.
Change trumped status quo.
I believe this man is humble enough to realize that the message is bigger than him.
At this point, regardless of politics, policies, views, idealolgy, etc. bringing us together as a nation, to me, is OUR number one priority.
We may not accomplish it, but we have to try. [/quote]
Obama is not bringing anyone together. The campaign was a triumph of style over substance and confusion over clarity.
Partisanship will be taken to new levels previously thought
unimaginable. Change doesn’t mean it’s for the better. It was simply a catchy buzzword used by other campaigns in the past. The majority were duped and will suffer for it.
The voters are easy to confuse and have been brainwashed by the media for 4 years. People, are rushing out to buy firearms prior to his inaguration out of fear. Hardly a uniter.
I look forward however to supporting President Obama with the same level of enthusiasm that President Bush recieved from the liberals these past 8 years.
[quote]sherekahn wrote:
We always hear rape and incest used to justify abortion. What percentage of abortions involve rape or incest?[/quote]
Sherekahn…I am NOT using that to justify abortion at all. Please don’t think that way. I was using that example as a point that I feel it is the womans right to choose.
Sadly, it’s probably one of the worst scenarios to use to try to make that point.
That discussion can go on forever.
The thread got off topic a tad.
All I wanted to do was state my opinion that I think his message towards the end resonated some mantra of hope…which I think we lacked as a nation during most of the campaign.
I know whoever got into office, they would be holding a shit bag. The President ( whether Obama or McCain) would need the support of the nation as we try to move forward. I think a lot of people felt Obama’s message hit them more positivly than McCains at the end.
[quote]hedo wrote:
People, are rushing out to buy firearms prior to his inaguration out of fear.
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I assume these are the clear thinking people you speak about ?
[quote]therover wrote:
Hope conquered fear.
Change trumped status quo.
I believe this man is humble enough to realize that the message is bigger than him.
At this point, regardless of politics, policies, views, idealolgy, etc. bringing us together as a nation, to me, is OUR number one priority.
We may not accomplish it, but we have to try. [/quote]
LOL! Michelle is CFR, and Obama probably is too. McCain was. Watch — most of ‘his’ appointments will be CFR. Another sham election for the sheep…
“Michelle Obama
Vice President for Community and External Affairs, The University of Chicago Medical Center”
http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/chicago_council_board_directors.php
You gain admission to the top by proving yourself in the ranks, as Obama did.
[quote]therover wrote:
hedo wrote:
People, are rushing out to buy firearms prior to his inaguration out of fear.
I assume these are the clear thinking people you speak about ?
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Perhaps they see thru the bullshit better then most.
It doesn’t matter in NJ anyway. You guys need permission from the State to buy weapons. Those of us in the more free states do not and can make the choice ourselves.
[quote]pat wrote:
therover wrote:
Pat,
Glad you thought it was funny…and meaningless.
Your self-serving attitude is just what the people voted against.
As for number 3…research that dude. There was already legislation passed prior to that vote.
For 4…who said you had to be happy. Not me.
As for brining you into the fold…there’s still hope !
I did research that. There was federal legislation. The legislation brought by the state of Illinois was to shore it up at the state level. He shot it down 4 times. If there was legislation on the books, why the hell would it be brought up 4 different times? What would be the point? He lied, there is no legislation on the books in Illinois…I challenge you to find it. I can’t because it isn’t there. Next thing you’ll tell me Ayers was just a guy in his neighborhood.
I am pro-life, I will never be brought into a culture of death. I don’t believe in it. You cannot give me enough hand outs to make me think that killing children to the tune of 1.2 million a year is a good idea.
What self serving attitude? That I am entitled to keep the money I worked for? I already do charity, I don’t need the government to make me charitable by force.
You failed to answer the question, what is it we are changing and what the fuck are we changing it to? [/quote]
Pat is right, but it wasn’t just that one bill there were 2 bills previous to that as well, the legislation on the books in illinois was past by obama predecessor as jr senator after left.
And that is the part that troubles me, I hope and pray he sticks to his campaign but I don’t foresee it. If you look at the legislation he authored and sponsored on state senate, that possibility looks pretty grim.
I work with a number of scientists that come from western European block countries and one from Cuba and one from Venezuela, They all said they left their country because it looks like what this man is moving to.
The problem is a lot of Obama supporters call researching the man looking at his website to see what he says or listening to a media that clearly wants him elected. Instead of looking at the legislation he wrote sponsored or supported in the state senate. We can?t use the US senate because he stopped voting on many controversial issues or issues of substance.
But like I said I really do want the man to do what is right what is American and not try to drive this to a European socialist economy.
The scariest part about his time there isn?t the bills that got accepted, you should see some of the legislation he couldn?t get enacted.
[quote]therover wrote:
sherekahn wrote:
We always hear rape and incest used to justify abortion. What percentage of abortions involve rape or incest?
Sherekahn…I am NOT using that to justify abortion at all. Please don’t think that way. I was using that example as a point that I feel it is the womans right to choose.
Sadly, it’s probably one of the worst scenarios to use to try to make that point.
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I know int he area of PA I live in they use the morning after pill and the series thereafter as part of rape treatment. I would consider myself conservative but believe that is completely respectable.
I think what is also misunderstood is that Presidents before this time did not want to change the foundational principles that grew this country into the power it has been. If turn from being a capitolist country, which has been happening in small steps and ruining us, we will see the same class warfare as in other socialist countries. If that starts to be apparent I think you may see an impeachment. If not then most americans will follow behind.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
therover wrote:
sherekahn wrote:
We always hear rape and incest used to justify abortion. What percentage of abortions involve rape or incest?
Sherekahn…I am NOT using that to justify abortion at all. Please don’t think that way. I was using that example as a point that I feel it is the womans right to choose.
Sadly, it’s probably one of the worst scenarios to use to try to make that point.
I know int he area of PA I live in they use the morning after pill and the series thereafter as part of rape treatment. I would consider myself conservative but believe that is completely respectable.
I think what is also misunderstood is that Presidents before this time did not want to change the foundational principles that grew this country into the power it has been. If turn from being a capitolist country, which has been happening in small steps and ruining us, we will see the same class warfare as in other socialist countries. If that starts to be apparent I think you may see an impeachment. If not then most americans will follow behind.
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It’s hard to speculate, but most assuredly the presidency will not turn out quite the way anybody thinks. It could be a Clinton scenario where he gets bitch slapped a few times and then gets straitened out…In the end, Clinton was more conservative than Bush save for the taxes…Those were flat fucking crippling. I was making $6.50 an hour and getting taxed at 25%…That was just ludicrous. I was under 20k and just getting ass-fucked by uncle sam.
[quote]Journeyman wrote:
sherekahn wrote:
We always hear rape and incest used to justify abortion. What percentage of abortions involve rape or incest?
Here is an estimate
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child
The data is from http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html which is as anti-abortion site.[/quote]
Fine, we get rid of 93% of all abortions and I will shut the fuck up about it. Still murder, but numbers matter; the fewer the better.
[quote]hedo wrote:
It doesn’t matter in NJ anyway. You guys need permission from the State to buy weapons. Those of us in the more free states do not and can make the choice ourselves.
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Hedo, I agree. But think about it…we have many more knuckleheads per square mile in this state than you do.
I was born and raised in Trenton, NJ. Travel south a ways and you go into Camden. A little farther south and a hop over the brigde and good ole Phlilly is there. Travel north aways, and you hit Newark. A little farther North…NYC.
But guess what…travel west from Trenton about 1 minute and you are in PA…travel west a ways farther, and you are into beautiful PA…and the more west you go, the prettier it looks.
I grew up 1 minute from the Deleware river, so I am a fisherman at heart. I never hunted, but know plenty of them and respect them…and the right to bear arms.
If permission is what we need to try to keep some of the knuckleheads at bay, it’s cool with me.
Therover,
I do HOPE Obama does better than any previous president. I am sorry to say that I have entirely selfish motives when I say that.
I am an old geezer and remember when Carter was elected. People were sick of Republicans
and I told friends that I felt all the country wanted was change. When Carter was elected I made a conscious decision to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Things did not work out well but it’s questionable how much of the outcome was his fault. I am in no position to make a judgment on that.
After four years of the “misery index”
steadily rising, the country elected Reagan.
There are Republicans who feel history will
repeat itself here. Ann Coulter expressed sentiments along that line when Mc Cain
got the Republican nomination saying we should not support him but rather let the Dems win and run a textbook conservative in
2012. Not sure who she had in mind but I
got the impression she meant Romney.
Anyway, Obama has won and will be in office for the next four years or maybe eight so
I believe it is in everyone’s best interest to give the man a chance though I have serious misgivings.
[quote]therover wrote:
hedo wrote:
It doesn’t matter in NJ anyway. You guys need permission from the State to buy weapons. Those of us in the more free states do not and can make the choice ourselves.
Hedo, I agree. But think about it…we have many more knuckleheads per square mile in this state than you do.
I was born and raised in Trenton, NJ. Travel south a ways and you go into Camden. A little farther south and a hop over the brigde and good ole Phlilly is there. Travel north aways, and you hit Newark. A little farther North…NYC.
But guess what…travel west from Trenton about 1 minute and you are in PA…travel west a ways farther, and you are into beautiful PA…and the more west you go, the prettier it looks.
I grew up 1 minute from the Deleware river, so I am a fisherman at heart. I never hunted, but know plenty of them and respect them…and the right to bear arms.
If permission is what we need to try to keep some of the knuckleheads at bay, it’s cool with me.
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I fished the same area of the Delaware near Washington’s Crossing and New Hope. Beautiful stretch of waterway. That river is getting better every year.
I can’t agree with your position on firearms but Jersey isn’t changing and hopefully PA will not have to either.
[quote]sherekahn wrote:
I believe it is in everyone’s best interest to give the man a chance though I have serious misgivings.
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sherekahn…I believe a lot of us ( myself included ) have doubts, misgivings, about him, his views, etc. We would not be human if we didn’t.
We would also not be human if we did not have hope, and try to put that hope in front of those doubts.
I am, and that was the main premise of my original post.
Peace to you.
[quote]hedo wrote:
I fished the same area of the Delaware near Washington’s Crossing and New Hope. Beautiful stretch of waterway. That river is getting better every year.
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IT IS ! Next time take a trek a little farther north into Stockton/Bulls Island area (you probably did).
Great smallmouth fishing.