Just as it was the in thing to bash every president before him. Trump did his fair share of bashing as well. This idea that criticizing or even mocking Trump is something exclusive to him and his presidency is the kind of thing the terms snowflake, tribalist and cultist were created for.
Apparently what happened in the past is irrelevant. …
All kidding aside, your admonitions are duly noted…
Uninformative? Thefack? It’s plenty of informative. But Lincoln going on to do good things after losing the pop vote =! the ability for the loser to win is a good thing.
Personally, even though essentially every Pol that predated Lincoln was a total sack of shit, I like to think we would’ve figured it out eventually.
Yawn. Super tired rebuttal. Nearly every election in the country is straight up and down. It’s not outrageous to think we could bring the most important one into the fold.
Lincoln losing the popular vote and winning anyways isn’t a “lesson.” It’s an event. I’d prefer to think that the numerous times the popular vote POTUS winners went into office isn’t a lesson either. It’s multiple events.
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Serious question.
Who is the “rebuttal” written for?
Certainly not Trump’s base and supporters.
Trump can say things that would have gotten President Obama tarred, feathered and hung from a tree.
If they don’t give a shit about the things Trump says or does; then it would go without saying that they give even less-than-a-shit about what the Dems have to say.
(Maybe the Dems didn’t have any other choice but to respond?)
And so it goes in “Trump-World”…
This.
A demonstration of the GOPs willingness to lie and omit glaringly relevant material + Trump’s double standard. Just stockpiling ammo for the next election cycles
Edit: plus from what I can see so far, there hasn’t been a downside to the Dems releasing their memo
Because it essentially destroys Nunes’ claims. From Cato Institute’s Julian Sanchez:
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Every Pol? WTF is a Pol?
Perhaps, as two separate nations, one of those nations being the Confederate States of America.
It’s the only rebuttal there is. The constitution of these United States had Presidents decided by the electorate from the beginning. There are been 3 constitutional amendments regarding voting none of which do away with the electoral college. Presidents of the United States are decided by the electoral college, it’s never been a strait up and down popular vote. This stuff was actually carefully considered by the Founders, they didn’t just shit it out willy-nilly.
The only way to do away with the electoral college is by a constitutional amendment. However, once you actually dig into the how to make elections fair and representative of all peoples, you’ll find the issue a bit more complicated. A.K.A. the people between the coast would have a tectonic hissy fit, the likes you have never before seen.
Again, it’s a Republic, not a democracy. We throw the term around a lot but it’s not accurate. To be perfectly accurate its a Democratic-Republic. We designate people to represent our interests including the electorate. So ignore your local elections at your own peril, the decision power bubbles up from there.
The complications of changing the way the executive is chosen and functions is not as easy as you think.
You didn’t get the result you wanted this time… Big deal and tough shit. I didn’t get what I wanted for the previous 8 years and I had to suck it up an cope.
If the shoe was on the other foot, it would be the exact same. Republicans run the country right now. Republicans won 1005 available seats of power through out the country. So take heart in the fact that they are likely to lose perhaps, if I were to guess right now, 25% of that in the mid-terms.
Pol=politician
I put exactly zero stock in the abilities of the FFs to predict how everything would unfold and whether or not it was the best course. I’m sure this line would work on someone, but it’s definitely not me lol.
Complications of changing to a majority vote are what exactly?
Lol didn’t get what I want. I’ve said it before, I’m a straight married white guy working in corporate America. I’m 100% personally better off under POTUS Trump. Better off than I would have been under HRC. I didnt “lose” with this election. I won at the expense of other people
Dude, I really don’t want to come off as a dick, but I don’t know how else to say it. I don’t think you know much about the history of this country. Especially, if you think every politician prior to Lincoln, (who didn’t win the popular vote) sucked.
And do you know why Lincoln didn’t win the popular vote? Because many states in the South were voting to succeed. They didn’t even hold a vote in many places. The electorate literally mailed it in.
The history of the country has no impact (not should it) on whether or not I think elections should be based on popular vote?
Not what I said at all.
I hadn’t thought to check you until just now ROFL.
Lincoln pulled 1.8 mil votes while 2nd place pulled 1.3 mil votes. Given your comment about me not knowing history, you’ll have to excuse me for a bit. I’m laughing too much to type correctly.
That’s because your not looking at the whole picture…
“Lincoln received only about 40% of the popular vote in a divided nation on the brink of Civil War”
Lololol sorry still laughing. You know what it means to win the popular vote right?
It means to be the most popular, in a metric delivered via votes. Aka getting more votes than anybody else
Edit: fwiw, if you’ve actually been misinterpreting my comment to mean 50.1% or higher, that’s definitely not what I’ve ever suggested, as that essentially guarantees a 2 party system, of which I’m not a fan
States like South Carolina casted 0 ballots. No vote was taken…In certain places there were no votes taken…
So what you’re saying is, Lincoln was the most widely voted for candidate…?
I am saying that large portions of the south abstained from voting because they had other ideas, like the Confederate States of America.Lincoln won the north by a landslide, but people in the south were preparing for something totally different.
Are you (at the very least) also saying Lincoln was the most popular candidate by the metric of submitted votes?
In the north…
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The best part is you’re actively defending a system using a scenario YOU brought up incorrectly about how people’s votes in the south were completely ignored BECAUSE of the electoral college system.
A national run straight up and down vote would have allowed these citizens to actually, ya know, vote. Instead of what happened where some rich entitled SLAVE OWNERS got to override the will of their people.