[quote]dhickey wrote:
There is a video of a baby being aborted late term on youtube. Watch that and tell me it’s ok to pull apart a baby that squirming and struggling as soon as the procedure is started. [/quote]
Link?
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I’m stumped. In my post there was:
No ranting.
No raving.
No name calling.
No childishness.
Yes, sarcasm. Mild sarcasm to illustrate a point. Please don’t descend to the “Fuck you, I’m out” deal. C’mon. You’re better than that. Besides, I like ya.
I like ya too. I’m still out though 
I don’t think this is one of those things that can be discussed without things getting ugly and I don’t want that. Plus, I’m pretty sure that hanging around the politics forum will result in me hating 90% of you crazy conservative bastards (and I mean that in the nicest way possible)[/quote]
I agree with you here. I like everyone so much and then I read what these uber-conservatives think and it makes me cringe.
This is why I usually stay out of here.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Not supporting a woman’s right to choose is kind of a sticking point for most feminists <_<
Otherwise… Stewart has pwnt. Don’t care what anyone says, that was fucking hilarious.
Feminists don’t support a right to choose. They support abortion.
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ORLY ?
[quote]Christine wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I’m stumped. In my post there was:
No ranting.
No raving.
No name calling.
No childishness.
Yes, sarcasm. Mild sarcasm to illustrate a point. Please don’t descend to the “Fuck you, I’m out” deal. C’mon. You’re better than that. Besides, I like ya.
I like ya too. I’m still out though
I don’t think this is one of those things that can be discussed without things getting ugly and I don’t want that. Plus, I’m pretty sure that hanging around the politics forum will result in me hating 90% of you crazy conservative bastards (and I mean that in the nicest way possible)
I agree with you here. I like everyone so much and then I read what these uber-conservatives think and it makes me cringe.
This is why I usually stay out of here.
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The female point of view needs more representation in here,not less…especially on this issue,don’t you think?
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Christine wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I’m stumped. In my post there was:
No ranting.
No raving.
No name calling.
No childishness.
Yes, sarcasm. Mild sarcasm to illustrate a point. Please don’t descend to the “Fuck you, I’m out” deal. C’mon. You’re better than that. Besides, I like ya.
I like ya too. I’m still out though
I don’t think this is one of those things that can be discussed without things getting ugly and I don’t want that. Plus, I’m pretty sure that hanging around the politics forum will result in me hating 90% of you crazy conservative bastards (and I mean that in the nicest way possible)
I agree with you here. I like everyone so much and then I read what these uber-conservatives think and it makes me cringe.
This is why I usually stay out of here.
The female point of view needs more representation in here,not less…especially on this issue,don’t you think?[/quote]
I read this forum sometimes, but most of the ‘debates’ just end up in petty name calling. There is too much dogma here with too little logic.
I can get worked up over these issues and really don’t have the energy to spare.
[quote]lixy wrote:
dhickey wrote:
There is a video of a baby being aborted late term on youtube. Watch that and tell me it’s ok to pull apart a baby that squirming and struggling as soon as the procedure is started.
Link?[/quote]
Here’s one.
There are others.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
If like Palin’s daughter you choose not to have an abortion you, your family will be mocked and villified by feminists and their fellow traveller’s. If you really do something crazy like marry the father the contempt heaped upon you by the left will be even greater.[/quote]
What? Do you actually believe this crap you are spouting? I know a lot of feminists who have children and I have never heard of feminists mocking and villifying a woman (or their family) for having a baby. Really, what are you talking about?
[quote]Feminists hate Palin because she is not liberal. If she had the same background and profile and was liberal she would be praised. Transparent to anyone who bothers to put some thought into it.
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This doesn’t make any sense either. Liberals don’t like her political views. If she was liberal then yes liberals would praise her views. ?
I don’t know why I am posting a response to this.
I like the Daily Show not because of the liberal view points but because Stewart does a great job at taking shots at politicians by pointing out their inconsistencies… It just happens he’s liberal.
Inconsistent bullshit drivel drips from the corner of the mouths of all politicians, both left and right leaning ones. I wanted to vomit watching both conventions because there is no fucking substance in any political discussion when they are speaking.
And I’m sick of both sides trying to legislate my personal decisions.
[quote]GCF wrote:
I don’t know why I am posting a response to this.
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I don’t know why you post in the political forum period.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Not supporting a woman’s right to choose is kind of a sticking point for most feminists <_<
Otherwise… Stewart has pwnt. Don’t care what anyone says, that was fucking hilarious.
Feminists don’t support a right to choose. They support abortion.
If like Palin’s daughter you choose not to have an abortion you, your family will be mocked and villified by feminists and their fellow traveller’s. If you really do something crazy like marry the father the contempt heaped upon you by the left will be even greater.
Feminists hate Palin because she is not liberal. If she had the same background and profile and was liberal she would be praised. Transparent to anyone who bothers to put some thought into it.
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…What in the fuck are you talking about? Do you know ANY feminists? I know PLENTY that are downright DISGUSTED by abortion, but still support the right to choose.
Fuck, I’M downright disgusted with almost all cases of abortion. That doesn’t mean I’m pro-life. And I can SO draw a moral line at the first tri-mester. You wait longer than that, you didn’t “just find out”, you just chickened out (which is bull).
I believe abortion should only be used when the baby simply CAN’T be paid for (or in the obvious rape/incest/ect cases). And even then, I’d prefer adoption.
So please STFU and stop believing everything the media tells you about the feminist angle on abortion.
I have nothing wrong with Palin’s daughter being preggers. I DO have a problem with Palin pushing abstinence only education, and I think the irony is pretty funny.
Why abort the baby when you can give it up for adoption anyways? You can deal with the temporary pain, if the other option is ending a life.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Feminists by nature are liberal. Those who don’t understand this are either too young to get it or outright stupid.
Case in point: Bill Clinton’s long time abuse of women was never once mentioned by N.O.W. Not one time did they raise a protest against Clinton or any of his actions regarding his sordid history.
What do you think they would have said if GW got a blow job in the White House by a 20 year old intern?
There is a double standard wrt to women in this country. They proved it again with when Palin was picked as VP. If she had been a liberal democrat they would be hailing her as the second coming…Oh sorry I forgot about their treatment of Obama…The third coming.
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Once again, you’re talking about Politico Feminists. The one’s the media pay attention to. But real feminist, everyday women who believe in feminism, are not grouped so easily.
I know PLENTY of women disgusted with Bill Clinton. Yes, many of them say “fuck his personal life I liked his policy” but that doesn’t mean the disgust wasn’t there.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
GCF wrote:
I don’t know why I am posting a response to this.
I don’t know why you post in the political forum period. [/quote]
Probably for the same reason as you: it’s something to do.
But tell me RJ, surely you can’t agree with Hedo in that feminists villify women who choose to have babies and marry?
I’m all for people having opinions. But the crazy sweeping generalisations that crop up in this board are staggering, on both sides of debate.
The term “feminist” has been co-opted by the left. You can’t be a feminist and be conservative. It goes against the rules of Gloria Steinem, HG Brown.
They are treating Palin in much the same way that Clarence Thomas was treated, and to a large extent still is.
You can’t be conservative and out perform the liberal standard whether you are a white, female conservative, or a black, male conservative.
The militant feminists (feminazis, to steal from Rush) absolutely hate everything Palin stands for.
Just look for some of Buckeye girls posts in the political forum. I’m not saying she is a militant feminist, but she echos the opinion of most liberal feminists.
So yeah, hedo is way more right than wrong on this.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Why abort the baby when you can give it up for adoption anyways? You can deal with the temporary pain, if the other option is ending a life.
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I am keeping my own opinions of abotion out of this I just like to see on both sides some form of honest critical thought.
Temporaray pain? Is that the reason you think people have abortions? How about considering other factors:
shame
ostricism by family
ostricism by friends
career damage
the physical damage of childbirth
the risks involved in pregnancy
financial considerations
religious considerations
attempt to hide pregnancy
the difficulties of being pregnant
giving up a baby you have carried around for 9 months
pschological health
There are many more than can be added to the list and woman considering abortion have to weigh up a combination of them. I’m not trying to change your view on abortion just attempting to point out that it is a far more complex decision than you make it out.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
The term “feminist” has been co-opted by the left. You can’t be a feminist and be conservative. It goes against the rules of Gloria Steinem, HG Brown.
They are treating Palin in much the same way that Clarence Thomas was treated, and to a large extent still is.
You can’t be conservative and out perform the liberal standard whether you are a white, female conservative, or a black, male conservative.
The militant feminists (feminazis, to steal from Rush) absolutely hate everything Palin stands for.
Just look for some of Buckeye girls posts in the political forum. I’m not saying she is a militant feminist, but she echos the opinion of most liberal feminists.
So yeah, hedo is way more right than wrong on this. [/quote]
So hedo is right: feminists villify women and their families for choosing to have babies. Wow. Talking about making up facts to support your view. I really find it hard to believe you ACTUALLY belive that. Maybe I give you too much credit.
I guess I have never met a feminist then. Although I took a political science paper in University (called Gender in Politics) taken by two well known feminist writers. I had a great time in that paper and got on well with both lecturers and had some great debates with them. I wrote an essay that got a very high mark despite me completely disagreeing with them.
The class had about 60 students in it. I was one of 4 males. I was hated by many of the students. There were a lot of angry lesbians in there. The male bashing was intense sometimes but not once did I hear negative comments against women having children and husbands.
Both of the lecturers had husbands and children.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
GCF wrote:
rainjack wrote:
The term “feminist” has been co-opted by the left. You can’t be a feminist and be conservative. It goes against the rules of Gloria Steinem, HG Brown.
They are treating Palin in much the same way that Clarence Thomas was treated, and to a large extent still is.
You can’t be conservative and out perform the liberal standard whether you are a white, female conservative, or a black, male conservative.
The militant feminists (feminazis, to steal from Rush) absolutely hate everything Palin stands for.
Just look for some of Buckeye girls posts in the political forum. I’m not saying she is a militant feminist, but she echos the opinion of most liberal feminists.
So yeah, hedo is way more right than wrong on this.
So hedo is right: feminists villify women and their families for choosing to have babies. Wow. Talking about making up facts to support your view. I really find it hard to believe you ACTUALLY belive that. Maybe I give you too much credit.
I guess I have never met a feminist then. Although I took a political science paper in University (called Gender in Politics) taken by two well known feminist writers. I had a great time in that paper and got on well with both lecturers and had some great debates with them. I wrote an essay that got a very high mark despite me completely disagreeing with them.
The class had about 60 students in it. I was one of 4 males. I was hated by many of the students. There were a lot of angry lesbians in there. The male bashing was intense sometimes but not once did I hear negative comments against women having children and husbands.
Both of the lecturers had husbands and children.
So I take it you are saying these two individuals are the norm, not an exception?
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Yes, certainly in my experience. These two plus were just an exaample but the rest of that specific class (in fact feminists in all classes I have taken), plus the writings I read in that class and a couple of others I can honestly say I have never ever heard/read a feminist mock/villify a woman for having children or husbands.
Have the majority of feminists you have dealt with/read ever villified women and their families for having children?