[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
…I am not among the people who consider the destruction of a zygote and the murder of a ten year old to be morally equivalent offenses.
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Understandable.
But you have to get on board somewhere. Pick a spot on the timeline and defend it.
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Well, I don’t necessarily think it should be legal even before the arbitrary spot. But that is a different story. I think that 40-50 days marks a moral Rubicon.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
The legacy of Abraham Lincoln has something to do with abortion?
T-Nation thread zooms strike again 
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The legacy of Abraham Lincoln has something to do with slavery.
Slavery has something to do with abortion. Abortion is the ultimate expression of slavery.
A slaveowner was free to put his property (an innocent human being) to death then. A woman is free to do so now.[/quote]
A. I was making a joke.
B. What a hilariously stupid post. Abortion is the ultimate expression of slavery.
Ok. Trees are the ultimate expression of World War II.
[quote]H factor wrote:
B. What a hilariously stupid post. Abortion is the ultimate expression of slavery.
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It is hilariously telling you refuse to see the common themes among the two activities, when it is obvious you are smart enough to understand them.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
B. What a hilariously stupid post. Abortion is the ultimate expression of slavery.
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It is hilariously telling you refuse to see the common themes among the two activities, when it is obvious you are smart enough to understand them. [/quote]
Actually the only thing I came into say was to laugh at how the thread had turned. I have no desire to participate in the idea that the legacy of Abraham Lincoln has a lot to do with abortion in 2014.
And I think that idea is frankly ludicrous and not worth my time. I’d actually rather see Lincoln discussed than our 9 billionth abortion talk, but I was just laughing at how the thread had twisted and turned.
[quote]H factor wrote:
And I think that idea is frankly ludicrous and not worth my time. [/quote]
Wouldn’t have brought it up if you truly felt that way.
As for the Lincoln talk… It sort of died. I mean, the history is the history, not much to argue. He iron fisted federalism, some good came out of it, some bad… A whole bunch of people died.
He is on the nickel, and will be remembered by history for the good. (For the most part.)
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
And I think that idea is frankly ludicrous and not worth my time. [/quote]
Wouldn’t have brought it up if you truly felt that way.
As for the Lincoln talk… It sort of died. I mean, the history is the history, not much to argue. He iron fisted federalism, some good came out of it, some bad… A whole bunch of people died.
He is on the nickel, and will be remembered by history for the good. (For the most part.)[/quote]
Lincoln is on the penny
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The problem is NO I WON’T ,[/quote]
Feel free to leave the thread then. You haven’t added any substance anyway.
Science and logic disagree with you. Please go on and tell me about climate change while you’re at it.
So, a slave forced to sit in a corner and do nothing but sit is no longer a slave? Not free to go, not free to move. No labor.
[quote]IT is HIGH JACKING the thread
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Again, you’re providing no real input anyway, so why bother commenting?
Your conscious bothering you?
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Amusing
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
And I think that idea is frankly ludicrous and not worth my time. [/quote]
Wouldn’t have brought it up if you truly felt that way.
As for the Lincoln talk… It sort of died. I mean, the history is the history, not much to argue. He iron fisted federalism, some good came out of it, some bad… A whole bunch of people died.
He is on the nickel, and will be remembered by history for the good. (For the most part.)[/quote]
Lincoln is on the penny
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nickel, penny… Both basically worthless, lol. But yes, you are correct. My bad.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
As far as Lincoln himself, like Jefferson, he was a very complicated man.
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Maybe I’m wrong here but it seems like the sentiment had changed significantly from Jefferson to Lincoln in the country.
In Jefferson’s time it was “the Union is the most important thing” with a state’s “right” to allow slavery being defining factor.
Then, when Lincoln comes around, it is still “the Union is the most important thing” except now the iron fist of federalism ruled the political climate. (Or maybe not and it was the guns and revisionist history that leads me to this observation.)
SO in short the train towards Federalism and Hamilton winning the war was already well on its way by the mid 19th century, only to come into full bloom in the 20th…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
A slaveowner was free to put his property (an innocent human being) to death then. A woman is free to do so now.[/quote]
Really? Was this in ancient Greece?
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I think Lincoln’s war on the Confederate States ended what was created by the founding fathers.[/quote]
And thank God for that.[/quote]
Only the founding fathers didn’t ‘create’ slavery. Many were against it. Many tried to insert an anti-slavery clause during the constitutional convention but were stymied by Southern land owners. Slavery had been the norm since time immemorial. It couldn’t be stopped over night. And it didn’t end in practice until decades after the end of the war. The biggest abolitionists? Christians.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
A slaveowner was free to put his property (an innocent human being) to death then. A woman is free to do so now.[/quote]
Really? Was this in ancient Greece?
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At different times and places in Greece the laws on slavery were different. There were also different classes of slaves. In Sparta all work was done by ‘helots’ - basically serfs. Spartans did no work whatsoever and trained from the age of 7 for warfare. For most of Greek history a slave had all the same rights as a citizen except for participation in politics. The first recorded abolitionists were the Athenian philosophers known as the Stoics.
Slavery was the norm throughout the ancient world and often slaves were freed for gaining the esteem of their owners. There is a well known story of the emperor Augustus visiting the home of a wealthy and influential man for dinner. The man’s slave broke a valuable crystal glass and his infuriated owner ordered that he be fed to lampreys(a fish that eats human flesh.) Augustus was so appalled that he ordered all the glasses to be smashed and had the slave owner’s massive villa demolished.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I think Lincoln’s war on the Confederate States ended what was created by the founding fathers.[/quote]
And thank God for that.[/quote]
Only the founding fathers didn’t ‘create’ slavery. Many were against it. Many tried to insert an anti-slavery clause during the constitutional convention but were stymied by Southern land owners. Slavery had been the norm since time immemorial. It couldn’t be stopped over night. And it didn’t end in practice until decades after the end of the war. The biggest abolitionists? Christians.[/quote]
Never said any of this wasn’t the case. Some it already been covered.
Doesn’t change the point–the Founders created a slave state, it got the death it deserved, thank God. Simple and true.