You should be.
An accountant, USMCCDS has schooled you on economics OVER AND OVER on this thread.
Now a research scientist, Aragorn is calling you out on your pseudoscience bullshit yet again.
Your ignorance in the face of your overwhelming stupidity is really quite amazing.
You’re the one making the claim, you can provide the information.
Lol, no shit… It’s unreal.
@ActivitiesGuy care to comment on the stem cell debate?
The U.S. is one of the only if not the only country whose public has to declare BK because of their medical bills. And while all of the articles I have says that BK is the number #1 reason that people have to declare BK not that it’s minuscule compared to the folks who file it to protect themselves from creditors. Are you sure about where the taxes have to come from?
Why do you believe the U.S. is the only industrialized country who is doing it right and everyone else is doing it wrong?
Where have I been schooled in economics over and over? And the research scientist hasn’t even defended his point.
I don’t have to as my posts already have enough evidence.
Every point you have made about your views on economics has been disproven by USMCCDS using multiple link backed posts. All you have to do is scroll up.
I’m sorry you don’t like that, here’s a cookie.
The research scientist Aragorn also posted links refuting your points.
Just because you choose to ignore something you don’t like, does not make it go away.
Because I’ve been to a VA hospital…
Do you really think that you are literally the only person on this site who makes sense?
Nobody has EVER AGREED WITH YOU on here. NOBODY.
That includes the left/right and FUCKING MIDDLE of the road people.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
You have to be, nobody is that loony.
You haven’t provided even a shred of evidence.
<1% = minuscule. Are you for real?
They aren’t going to come from the magical tax tree Bernie wants to plant in the Rose Garden.
This post cannot possibly be real.
HE’S AN ACCOUNTANT.
OHGAWDAMMITBLARGBLARGBLARG
It does when you’re a looney liberal.
Lol
I mean, Jesus man, the state of California alone has 667 studies. That’s more than any other single country beside the U.S. of course.
Technically it was USMC with the stem cell links, but I do have them. Zep has not said anything to refute either his points or mine across numerous threads. He’ll make a lot of noise and appeals to emotion but has no hard numbers to back it up, because they don’t exist. And that is 100% true of the stem cell research. We lead the world in overall stem cell research. Regulatory agencies to market issues are separate from research, but even then I would say that as much as I hate the FDA they do more good than bad regarding new and upcoming areas of research translating to market. Emerging fields are always risky in some way (usually unknown or undiscovered). Always.
Zep made claims but will not back them up–because he cannot. I told him to man up and argue his science like a scientist, which means coming up with references, studies NOT media news, and using them to support his point. Until he does that so that we can talk science, or admits he doesn’t know what the everloving FUCK he is talking about and takes that claim back, I have nothing to do. He has never substantially supported a single damn claim in any area of politics, economics, or science in his years on this site. I can’t wait for the End of Days for him to come to his senses.
Oh geez, don’t drag me into this…
This is usually the way most loons are. They’re the last sane person on the planet, everyone else is crazy. It’s the reason anti-vaccine “hero” Andrew Wakefield is still touted as a “hero” by the pockets of anti-vaccine nutjobs around the world for exposing the vaccine conspiracy. He’s the lone wolf who figured out the game while hundreds of thousands of other researchers and physicians around the world kept quiet because they were all complicit in the scam.
Anyways, back to usmc’s request that I chime in on the stem cell question…Aragorn already said the first thing that came to mind:
The United States pours far more resources into research, with better quality and better results, than any other country. I’ve reviewed papers from, shall we say, “developing” countries several times - the quality is generally quite poor (like, the scientists can’t even describe what their own hypothesis is). They’re playing tee-ball, we’re playing in the majors. I have plenty of qualms about our own research process as well - a topic for another day - but it’s a far more rigorous game than anywhere else on the planet.
This is slightly different than being ahead of other countries in adoption of new therapies, though. In fact, it’s precisely because the United States tends to be much more rigorous and research-intensive that we are often slower to adopt new procedures and/or drugs as a field-wide standard…it’s not because we aren’t doing the work. It’s actually because we’re far more rigorous in studying things before we approve them for widespread use (and even then, we still sometimes get it wrong after years - or even decades - of research).
People that don’t understand the guts of the research process think it’s as simple as doing some shit in a lab, proving it works, then planting it into humans. Figuring out new therapies and testing them rigorously takes YEARS of testing and data collection to confirm that the stuff actually works, that it doesn’t cause crazy side effects, etc.
I do not work specifically in stem cell research so I will not pretend to be an expert in that area. But when Zeppelin says this…
It’s because of what I wrote above. I agree that the application of therapies to help people counts more than the number of trials done…but the only way to reach the endpoint of “application of therapies to help people” is actually doing the damn trials so you know that what you’re doing actually works.
If I invent a new artificial heart tomorrow, I can’t just stroll into hospitals and tell them about my new artificial heart and ask them to start planting it into people. I have to prove that the thing works, and that’s not nearly as simple as most people think. I’m not even talking regulatory approvals and red-tape; even if all that was stripped away and we could start using the device as soon as we had data proving its effectiveness, it would still be an extremely complex process to enroll patients for a study on the device, actually implant the device in enough patients (and follow them for enough time) to get a reasonable estimate of its effectiveness, find some historical data or a reasonable “control” group to prove that the new device actually improved survival, etc.
We are doing tons of stem cell research. The fact that we don’t run off and shove stuff into people as soon as it worked once in a test tube is a good thing, not a bad thing.
Look, I won’t even quibble with this…
…because I actually kinda agree with it. Big Pharma has definitely done some shady stuff over the years, and collectively our health system definitely does place too much focus on symptom management and not enough on treating the cause (antihypertensive and lipid-lowering medications being my two best-known examples). However, it’s not nearly the outright conspiracy that most quacks would have you believe, and with respect to the debate about stem-cell therapy, this statement is virtually meaningless.
Thanks boss, I figured you’d have some insight.
The takeaway quote.
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That’s a good point. Nothing has driven the price and personal expense of medical care higher than obamacare. It’s crippling thousands of families including mine. My medical expenses have gone up 1000% since 2014. Thanks obama.
Notice, he’s exempt.
