The Left is Full of Racists

[quote]anonfactor wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
"Allee Bautsch, chief campaign fundraiser for Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, and her boyfriend Joe Brown, were savagely beaten Friday night in New Orleans after leaving a Republican party fundraising dinner by a group of thugs who reportedly targeted the couple because they were wearing Sarah Palin pins.

Bautch’s leg was broken and Brown incurred a broken jaw and nose as well as a concussion.

The Hayride reports that a source who visited Bautsch at the hospital the day after the attack says they were told the couple was attacked for wearing Palin buttons:

Two people at the Brennan’s event have now confirmed that the protest had largely broken up by the time it ended, but we also understand from someone who visited Allee Bautsch in the hospital Saturday morning that she and Brown were followed and attacked expressly because they had Palin pins on (she heard one of the attackers say “Let’s get them, they have Palin pins on” - so the attack WAS politically motivated as its victims understood it. It was not a mugging, it was not an argument gone wrong and it was not a bar fight.

The story of a Republican and her boyfriend being viciously attacked for wearing Palin buttons has yet to make national headlines, unlike say, unfounded rumors of nasty words being said by Tea Party protesters."[/quote]

Update from Michelle Malkin: No Palin pins involved.

What a completely unpredictable turn of events.
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whodathunkit

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I like how you took major issue with that line while entirely omitting the following line.[/quote]

The republican party all being fascist is pretty whack too I didn’t see that. Thanks for pointing it out.
To be honest both statements ridiculous. I for my part fail to see much difference between either American political party but I’m a Euro pinko commie whatever.

[quote]Bambi wrote:

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I like how you took major issue with that line while entirely omitting the following line.[/quote]

The republican party all being fascist is pretty whack too I didn’t see that. Thanks for pointing it out.
To be honest both statements ridiculous. I for my part fail to see much difference between either American political party but I’m a Euro pinko commie whatever. [/quote]

That’s pretty funny, because I don’t see a huge difference between parties either, but I consider both of those statements fairly accurate. Then again I’m an anarchist whatever…

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]anonfactor wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
"Allee Bautsch, chief campaign fundraiser for Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, and her boyfriend Joe Brown, were savagely beaten Friday night in New Orleans after leaving a Republican party fundraising dinner by a group of thugs who reportedly targeted the couple because they were wearing Sarah Palin pins.

Bautch’s leg was broken and Brown incurred a broken jaw and nose as well as a concussion.

The Hayride reports that a source who visited Bautsch at the hospital the day after the attack says they were told the couple was attacked for wearing Palin buttons:

Two people at the Brennan’s event have now confirmed that the protest had largely broken up by the time it ended, but we also understand from someone who visited Allee Bautsch in the hospital Saturday morning that she and Brown were followed and attacked expressly because they had Palin pins on (she heard one of the attackers say “Let’s get them, they have Palin pins on” - so the attack WAS politically motivated as its victims understood it. It was not a mugging, it was not an argument gone wrong and it was not a bar fight.

The story of a Republican and her boyfriend being viciously attacked for wearing Palin buttons has yet to make national headlines, unlike say, unfounded rumors of nasty words being said by Tea Party protesters."[/quote]

Update from Michelle Malkin: No Palin pins involved.

What a completely unpredictable turn of events.
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whodathunkit
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Right: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-orleans-beating-real-violence-real-evidence-no-media/?singlepage=true

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

Right: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-new-orleans-beating-real-violence-real-evidence-no-media/?singlepage=true[/quote]

“Circumstantial evidence is piling up that far-left anarchists viciously attacked a staffer to Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, putting Allee Bautsch and her boyfriend Joe Brown in the hospital with broken bones. The story has been, unsurprisingly, ignored.”

Well, first of all, I’ve read about it many times, and received probably a dozen emails talking about it from various email lists across the political spectrum. I don’t understand why they keep saying it’s being ignored.

But my real question is: how can you have a far-left anarchist… I love big government but want no government?

Like a communist-libertarian? Are they assuming they’re on the left, even though they self-identify as anarchists, because… what?

Last time I checked, Anarchism found itself just to the right of libertarianism.

I guess in today’s talking-points political world, where many “conservatives” think Ron Paul is liberal for being against the Iraq War (for example), this crap flies?

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

“Circumstantial evidence is piling up that far-left anarchists viciously attacked a staffer to Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, putting Allee Bautsch and her boyfriend Joe Brown in the hospital with broken bones. The story has been, unsurprisingly, ignored.”

Well, first of all, I’ve read about it many times, and received probably a dozen emails talking about it from various email lists across the political spectrum. I don’t understand why they keep saying it’s being ignored.

But my real question is: how can you have a far-left anarchist… I love big government but want no government?

Like a communist-libertarian? Are they assuming they’re on the left, even though they self-identify as anarchists, because… what?

Last time I checked, Anarchism found itself just to the right of libertarianism.

I guess in today’s talking-points political world, where many “conservatives” think Ron Paul is liberal for being against the Iraq War (for example), this crap flies? [/quote]

Let me try to outline the connections for you.

  1. Because the Tea Party is a growing and real political threat, the entire administration – and most of the media – are actively trying to create the narrative that the Tea Party is racist & violent in order to discredit it as a legitimate movement. They keep repeating the (baseless) assertion - and yet, they cannot point to a single example of either; in fact, the few things they have pointed to have been absolutely fabricated.

  2. Clinton has recently jumped into the fray (see his NYT piece) by warning about how the rhetoric and actions on the Right (Tea Party) are going to lead to outbreaks of violence.

Where, however, was Clinton when an actual film was made, distributed, and celebrated about Bush being assassinated? When doctored photos/signs depicted Bush with a bullet hole and blood streaming down his face? When calls for his death - publicly at rallies, on signs and verbally - took place on a daily basis? Et cetera. Can you imagine if the Tea Party was doing the same regarding Obama?? Seriously, think about that.

  1. Meanwhile, while the left actively promotes and commits actual racism and violence, no one covers it. The assault in New Orlean’s on Jindal’s fundraiser (and her boyfriend) is just the latest example.

  2. Now, allow me to propose a thought experiment: suppose in this case the victims had been from the Left? And if the assailants were from the Tea Party?

What do you think would have happened? The NYT would have covered it; every morning show on MSNBC and the others would have endlessly looped clips about it. Obama (and Janet Napolitano, etc.) would have spoken about it. Tom Ashbrook probably would have dedicated three shows to the question of “whether the right wing poses a danger to the civil order,” etc. All of them would use the attack as an example of “right wing violent tendencies.” etc.

Anyone who cares about the truth - and presumably you do - should be outraged at this asymmetry.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

Let me try to outline the connections for you.

  1. Because the Tea Party is a growing and real political threat, the entire administration – and most of the media – are actively trying to create the narrative that the Tea Party is racist & violent in order to discredit it as a legitimate movement. They keep repeating the (baseless) assertion - and yet, they cannot point to a single example of either; in fact, the few things they have pointed to have been absolutely fabricated.
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Apparently perspective matters. Well I’ll grant you that the liberal-tilted media is disproportionately reporting on the trouble-makers in the Tea Party. All the media has jumped on the “promote the idea of that the Tea Party is a big movement” band-wagon. They are putting out polls asking absurdly worded questions, in an attempt to make the Tea Party look like a massive movement, when many of more thorough polls out, show the vast-vast majority of Tea Partiers and simply Republicans (most of whom when polled still give W. Bush a favorable rating, despite his spending). How big was that massive DC march on Tax Day? Millions? No, it was in the tens of thousands. All sides of the media are really making this thing BIG, either promoting it, or trying to scare us with it.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
2. Clinton has recently jumped into the fray (see his NYT piece) by warning about how the rhetoric and actions on the Right (Tea Party) are going to lead to outbreaks of violence.

Where, however, was Clinton when an actual film was made, distributed, and celebrated about Bush being assassinated? When doctored photos/signs depicted Bush with a bullet hole and blood streaming down his face? When calls for his death - publicly at rallies, on signs and verbally - took place on a daily basis? Et cetera. Can you imagine if the Tea Party was doing the same regarding Obama?? Seriously, think about that.
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I never heard of it. I’ll look it up, but, the concern is that elected officials pandering to the fringe are adopting their language. I don’t recall any elected officials (maybe some city councilmen in SF or Berkley?) promoting, or calling for violence against Bush or the Federal government. That can’t be said for example, of Bachman, who is publicly advocating violence, and not paying your taxes.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
3. Meanwhile, while the left actively promotes and commits actual racism and violence, no one covers it. The assault in New Orlean’s on Jindal’s fundraiser (and her boyfriend) is just the latest example.
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See here, you totally talked past my post: the people who are being accused of committing the act, and were present were self-proclaimed ANARCHISTS… that is a RIGHT WING PHILOSOPHY OF ZERO GOVERNMENT. Why do you keep calling them “the left” when they are on the extreme right wing?

If you don’t understand that that Anarchy (NO GOVERNMENT) is to the right of Libertarian (Only the hint of the necessary evil that is government), then you’re totally lost.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
4. Now, allow me to propose a thought experiment: suppose in this case the victims had been from the Left? And if the assailants were from the Tea Party?

What do you think would have happened? The NYT would have covered it; every morning show on MSNBC and the others would have endlessly looped clips about it. Obama (and Janet Napolitano, etc.) would have spoken about it. Tom Ashbrook probably would have dedicated three shows to the question of “whether the right wing poses a danger to the civil order,” etc. All of them would use the attack as an example of “right wing violent tendencies.” etc.

Anyone who cares about the truth - and presumably you do - should be outraged at this asymmetry.

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Sure, that would have happened. Just like it would probably have received more attention if avowed members of an actual left-wing group had done this. If it had been Democrat organizers with official ties to the party, you bet your ass a huge deal would have been made about it.

But Anarchists are nut jobs, and we all know it. And it also doesn’t fit the Left vs. Right narrative to have a group of right-wing extremists attack Republican operatives… does that mean the Republican party would have to take a hard stance against right-wing extremists? Yeah, it would have. And they don’t want to do that, so instead of going ape-shit on the TV, railing against right-wing extremists who physically assault moderate Republicans, they’ve decided to keep it on the down low, and let the crazies on the right, too ignorant to figure out that Anarchists are also on the right, have at it on the internet.

If people need to poll people to see if the Tea Party is a real or legitimate movement, you have already answered that question.

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

See here, you totally talked past my post: the people who are being accused of committing the act, and were present were self-proclaimed ANARCHISTS… that is a RIGHT WING PHILOSOPHY OF ZERO GOVERNMENT. Why do you keep calling them “the left” when they are on the extreme right wing?

If you don’t understand that that Anarchy (NO GOVERNMENT) is to the right of Libertarian (Only the hint of the necessary evil that is government), then you’re totally lost.

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I don’t have time to respond to all that rubbish above - on the immediately above, however, you are completely misleading; they call themselves “anarcho-Communists” - they want to transform the world into a “stateless,” Communist order. Funny, because that sounds a lot like all of the Marxist Revolutionaries of the past.

It also sounds like they have a vision of how the world ought to look like - and want to bring it about.

THAT^^ is the very soul and heart of collectivism. Which is the heart and soul of the left.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:It also sounds like they have a vision of how the world ought to look like - and want to bring it about.

THAT^^ is the very soul and heart of collectivism. Which is the heart and soul of the left.[/quote]

I think you should just chew on this for a little while.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:It also sounds like they have a vision of how the world ought to look like - and want to bring it about.

THAT^^ is the very soul and heart of collectivism. Which is the heart and soul of the left.[/quote]

I think you should just chew on this for a little while.
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LOL! You sound like my second grade teacher sitting me in the corner.

Just wanting to make sure you note the irony.

Zo’s response

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Just wanting to make sure you note the irony.[/quote]

It would be ironic indeed if you turned out to be my second grade teacher.

Seemingly relevant…

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

See here, you totally talked past my post: the people who are being accused of committing the act, and were present were self-proclaimed ANARCHISTS… that is a RIGHT WING PHILOSOPHY OF ZERO GOVERNMENT. Why do you keep calling them “the left” when they are on the extreme right wing?

If you don’t understand that that Anarchy (NO GOVERNMENT) is to the right of Libertarian (Only the hint of the necessary evil that is government), then you’re totally lost.

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Classical Anarchism - also called Libertarian Socialism, is anti free market, supports worker ownership of production, no capital, no state, ie a leftist political philosophy EX see Pierre Joseph Proudhon

Anarcho-Capitalism - the free market reigns supreme, no socialism, the individual is the epicenter, ie a rightist political philosophy EX see Murray Rothbard

DAMN those hatefully freedom works people inciting violence.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
DAMN those hatefully freedom works people inciting violence.

Compare that to the messages that Baxter released to show the hatred to the tea partiers:

[quote]thefederalist wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]thefederalist wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]thefederalist wrote:
All of America is racist. Big surprise. [/quote]

How many threads did YOU personally start making sure we all knew that the tea party was racist. You my friend are a fucking hypocryte.

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Me saying the tea party is racist is not the same thing as me saying the left is not racist. [/quote]

But you didn’t make a statement along the lines of what Drewh said. I agree with him, in that everyone has some degree of racism in them. You in another thread tried to point out the racism in the Tea Party People, but no one else.

You applied a universal label to only one group of people. You are just like Geithner, apparently he felt everyone should pay their taxes, except himself. [/quote]

I’ve never put anyone on the ignore list because I don’t like censorship and feel even a blind squirrel is going to have a good post once in a while. But I don’t know if I can take thefederalist anymore. His blatent leftist agenda knows no bounds. He is flat out dishonest, which I really find disturbing (but expected). I just don’t know if I can stomach him anymore. I mean when we take back control and in 50 years a conservative gameplan gets america back on track and things are vastly improved as far as the quality of life and amount of freedom each citizen has. Is he going to still be pushing for big governemtn or will he finally say, Ok Ok, you guys were right, this freedom thing and this small government thing really does help the little guy the MOST.

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I’m not pro-Big Gov’t, whatever the hell that means. You’re lumping my positions together with those of other people and some preconceived notion you have about liberals. I’m pro regulation of the financial services industry. My interests are in Econ and Finance. In many other ways I’m very much a libertarian and a believer in states’ rights.

But, I do have a general suspicion of fanaticism and hyperbole. I don’t like the tea party because they gobble up fox news garbage like it’s coco puffs (NB: I don’t watch MSNBC). When people say that they’re being educated by Fox News editorials, I’m questioning their baseline level of intelligence.

In short, the left and the right are ALWAYS wrong. The right answer is usually somewhere in the middle. You’re sick of me because you can’t tolerate that other people disagree with you in some narrow respect.

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CHURCH!

Hmmm . . . interesting thread - only problem is that there is only one human race (credit to those great anthropologists - BEP)- so a racist in human terms is someone who hates humans . . . personal I am a snake racist - hate those little ^%$#!@

back to humans now,

The correct term is being a bigot or a having a prejuidicial attitude.

Anyone who accuses someone else of being a racist is showing their own bigotry, because they are accusing someone of not agreeing with their own elevation of their particular group in terms of treatment/access/opportunity to the level that the speaker thinks it ought to be. Thus the accussed is attacked as hating the speaker’s race - - - of which there is no such thing - - -well, the speaker has just elevated his own group to being a separate race of humans deserving of special treatment - this elevation of one group over another is the very foundation of “bigotry” - my group is better than your group".

There must be an actual conscious effort on the part of the accused to remove opportunity, block access, or to treat badly/criminally the speaker’s group based ENTIRELY on that group’s identity without any relation to that group’s actions/nonactions to even qualify as prejudicial.

If the poor treatment of a group is based on their prior actions/nonactions (example - the Nazi’s, the ultimate socialist bigots) - then any harsh treatment of them including war is justifiable. If the poor treatment is based only on their identity - it is not justifiable. Moral of the story - treat people based on their actions/nonactions, not on their identity.