The Law and Guns

[quote] pushharder:

The fact that Hill overturned Dunn confirms what I keep saying: application of BoR was controversial and swung both ways. Sheesh, you’re hard to get along with. [/quote]

This is just simply untrue. You know it is. There was no controversy. And you know it’s untrue. There weren’t large factions on opposite sides of this issue, debating it. One court case - overturned by the same court years later - isn’t evidence that the nation had an unsettled controversy over whether the Bill of Rights applied to the states from the outset.

This has become farce. You’ve made it clear there is almost nothing you won’t say to support these fictions you pass off as truth. And that’s what they are - fictions. From your straw men to your woeful inadequacy on a topic you swear you KNOW everything about, it’s become dull. And it’s arguing in bad faith. Perfect example:

TB: Some old West frontier towns didn’t allow constitutional carry. I agree with them. And that’s ideological company I am happy to keep on this issue (they knew a thing or two about violence).

Push: Where in the world did you learn that - Hollywood?

TB: Nope, actual history. See [examples].

Push: Oh yeah, well, they were territories! And that somehow invalidates your point!

TB: No, it doesn’t - the point is, it’s a fact that they enacted gun control laws that didn’t permit constitutional carry. And my point I agree with them.

Push: Well, you’re wrong that this means they were constitutional!

TB: I didn’t say they were or weren’t constitutional. I said they enacted them, and I agree with the policy decision.

Push: Still watching Hollywood movies, are you?

You can see why I am bored.

As for arguing in bad faith, Lixy was bad at it, so was Forlife. Now, you too have joined their ranks.

Shame.

Admittedly off top, but what is your carry weapon Push? I’m in the market for a subcompact single or double stack 9 mm.

Officers in Britain don’t carry guns. Everything is fine there.

[quote]Elivate55 wrote:
Officers in Britain don’t carry guns. Everything is fine there.[/quote]

I have worked and trained with Metro London, yes, they do have armed units, usually 2 to 4 to a vehicle, heavily armed to respond to armed violence. Traditional bobbies are still around, but, that (IMHO is going to change), you simply cannot send LEO’s out on duty with just a fucking stick, not in this world. You would be surprised at the amount firearms training being conducted across England. The Brits have an LEO training contingent here in Kabul in which I have worked with on several occasions, so my Intel is current. Just because you don’t see the weapons, doesn’t mean they are not there. I don’t understand you statement," Everything is fine there" are you implying because street bobbies (on average) don’t carry guns, there is no crime?. Nothing is fine anywhere today.

[quote]Elivate55 wrote:
Officers in Britain don’t carry guns. Everything is fine there.[/quote]

Ugh, you said you were a “security officer”?

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Elivate55 wrote:
Officers in Britain don’t carry guns. Everything is fine there.[/quote]

Ugh, you said you were a “security officer”?[/quote]

lol. Apparently by “fine” he means “the Plebs stab themselves while the ruling class doesn’t have to worry about getting shot to the same degree.”

Not totally related to this thread but gun related

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/29/a-black-man-wearing-a-hoodie-and-strapped-with-a-glock-gets-pulled-over-by-police-how-he-chooses-to-respond-likely-determined-the-outcome/

Discussion paper on firearms law where I live (Western Australia): http://www.lrc.justice.wa.gov.au/_files/P105_DP.pdf

One of the gems: “Western Australia Police also note that â??spud gunsâ?? or â??spud cannonsâ?? fall within the definition of â??firearmâ?? in the Firearms Act but cannot currently be licensed. Western Australia Police contend that although it is not illegal to construct a spud gun, â??possession and/or use of one is not in the public interestâ??, and recommends that â??the status of spud guns be reviewed with reference to the definition of a firearm”

They are also worrying about “the latest technology in air guns” and lever actions with more than 5 rounds capacity. There was a nation wide furor over the Adler A110 lever action shotgun that led to a ban on its importation, and now they have woken up to the fact that lever actions exist and will probably try to regulate them further. Blow guns are banned as well, and there is occasional talk of compound bows being regulated.

Preserve your rights, because once they start chipping away at them they’ll never stop.