The KimbaLog

[quote]CBear84 wrote:
everyone else took my comments about the dl.

back raises- definitely need to let your hips hang off the edge a little bit… and, tsk tsk, you’re rounding your back at the bottom!

sorry the gym felt crappy today. i hate it when that happens. [/quote]

Well CBear, you took MY comments about the back extensions! =P

Yes… do not round your upper back like that at the bottom… maintain a neutral spine and bend more at the hips (which you will be able to do when you lower it a notch). You may even have to put a rolled up towel or two under your feet if you still can’t get your hips high enough over the edge. SO ANNOYING that these machines are made like this! I mean, I am almost 6’ tall and I use the 2nd to lowest setting. Seriously… who uses the top setting then? And what do people do when they are 5’ tall? I don’t get it!

EDIT: I have not been able to read your WHOLE LOG, so forgive me if I am pointing out the obvious… but you know you need SHIT-TONS of extra upper back work since you spend hours at a time on the bike, right? Like you need 2-3 upper back movements for every pressing movement you do…! Your upper back looks AMAZING in your avi… so clearly you train it well… but hours in that hunched cycling position (assuming this is how you ride as I don’t know that much about cycling) is killer on your back! =D Again, ignore this if it has been addressed and/or if I am incorrect in my assumptions about your riding form… =D

[quote]kimbakimba wrote:
CBear84 wrote:
50 back raises… jfc. crazy shit ass idea.

get the ice ready.

and the video camera.

congrats on your PR’s, and for going atg on some of those other squats!

The 50 back raises were Molly’s idea. Is she trying to kill me?[/quote]

Nah… not trying to kill you… just give you a lower back of STEEL! (although Bobbi might hire me to attempt it now that she has seen your dip numbers =D… but CBear is the contract assassin… not me!)

EDIT: Just saw where you proclaimed Bobbi the dip winner… my bad Bobbi! Both of you kick my ass in dips! I am TERRIBLE at them and they bother my shoulders like crazy… so I never do them… However, if I could do them like you all I would do them constantly! That’s so bad-ass!

[quote]mmgalb727 wrote:
And what do people do when they are 5’ tall? I don’t get it![/quote]

ask siouxsie.

[quote]
EDIT: I have not been able to read your WHOLE LOG, so forgive me if I am pointing out the obvious… but you know you need SHIT-TONS of extra upper back work since you spend hours at a time on the bike, right? Like you need 2-3 upper back movements for every pressing movement you do…! Your upper back looks AMAZING in your avi… so clearly you train it well… but hours in that hunched cycling position (assuming this is how you ride as I don’t know that much about cycling) is killer on your back! =D Again, ignore this if it has been addressed and/or if I am incorrect in my assumptions about your riding form… =D[/quote]

love how your advice comes with disclaimers.

I have all the same back issues as you: my new project (if I can only concentrate long enough) is to practice standing up straight all day. In addition to religious use of hypers and good mornings. Let’s get good backs together!

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I have a trick for learning to hold your scapula in the correct position during the big lifts:

Stand normally with your arms straight by your side. Pull your scapula together and depress them. This will cause your chest to rise a little. Hold the scapula in this position while you raise your arms (keeping the elbows locked) from your side all the way to over your head. It’s hard! Your body’s natural reaction will be to let go of the scapula about a third of the way up. It’s almost as if your body doesn’t believe that your shoulder socket is indepent of the scapula. Once you’re able to move your arms over your head while holding your scapula together the whole time (it will feel like they are moving up and down your spine, a bit like a weird massage), try moving your arms all the way together in front of your body, also keeping the elbow straight.

The purpose of this is that most of the problems that happen with keeping the upper back from rounding result from a lack of shoulder control with your arms at various degress from your body. By learning to take control, you’ll both improve the lift, and over all posture.

Hope this helps :)[/quote]

Oleena, thanks so much. This is SO AMAZINGLY HARD for me, that I’m speechless. I have had crappy posture my whole life, do alot of sitting at work, and hunch over bicycle handlebars. All coming back to bite me in the gym.

[quote]mmgalb727 wrote:
Yes… do not round your upper back like that at the bottom… maintain a neutral spine and bend more at the hips (which you will be able to do when you lower it a notch). You may even have to put a rolled up towel or two under your feet if you still can’t get your hips high enough over the edge. SO ANNOYING that these machines are made like this! I mean, I am almost 6’ tall and I use the 2nd to lowest setting. Seriously… who uses the top setting then? And what do people do when they are 5’ tall? I don’t get it!

EDIT: I have not been able to read your WHOLE LOG, so forgive me if I am pointing out the obvious… but you know you need SHIT-TONS of extra upper back work since you spend hours at a time on the bike, right? Like you need 2-3 upper back movements for every pressing movement you do…! Your upper back looks AMAZING in your avi… so clearly you train it well… but hours in that hunched cycling position (assuming this is how you ride as I don’t know that much about cycling) is killer on your back! =D Again, ignore this if it has been addressed and/or if I am incorrect in my assumptions about your riding form… =D[/quote]

Molly, you are more than 100% right about this. I am hunching my back when I ride, when I work…well all the time unless I’m actively thinking about shoulders back. There is a real weakness here that I’ve got to address.

Do you have a quick list of upper back exercises I should be looking at??? I do chins and bent over one armed dumbbell rows. I could add BB rows, cable rows…but my mind is blanking on more upper back stuff.

Also, should I be backing off my deadlift weight again in order to work on upper back form? I don’t want to be doing anything unsafe.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
I have all the same back issues as you: my new project (if I can only concentrate long enough) is to practice standing up straight all day. In addition to religious use of hypers and good mornings. Let’s get good backs together![/quote]

Alisa, it is really, really nice to have some company in dealing with this. I’m sitting up straight RIGHT NOW! You??

warning…kumbaya moment ahead

Without the help of Powerful Women, I would not be getting better in my training. Thanks you guys for taking the time to help.

[quote]kimbakimba wrote:

Without the help of Powerful Women, I would not be getting better in my training. Thanks you guys for taking the time to help.[/quote]

alright lets stop this shit before Hallmark gets involved.

I can think of a few:

close/wide grip cable rows

BB row

High pulls- and fun!

Bent over rear delt raise…seated or standing.

A lot of scap stuff and also foam roller extensions. Read Shoulder Savers. Those articles helped me loads (I hunch over a computer rather than a bike - same problem though).

Kimba - Cliffs notes from Shoulder Savers that I compiled (although I still recommend reading them!! They rock!):

SHOULDERS:

Warm Up:

  • DC Broomstick Exercise (Holding a broomstick and keeping arms completely straight, raise your arms over head and bring the broomstick behind your back, still keeping arms straight. Then raise it back over your head and bring it in front of your body again. That is 1 rep. As you get more flexible, move your hands in closer together, but ALWAYS keep your arms straight. Shoot for 20-50 reps) (Keep in mind that some people experience aggravation with this exercise. Reduce frequency and/or volume if you experience this. VERY FEW people may have to eliminate it completely)
  • Applying Blue Heat lotion from Elite FTS to your shoulder when warming up

Exercises:
-Scapular Pushup (2-3 sets of 15-20 each week)

  • Supine One Arm Dumbbell Protraction (2-3 sets of 15-20 each week)
  • Scapular Wall Slides
  • Behind the Neck Band Pulldowns (Band wall slides)
  • External Rotations (cable, band, DB, weight plate)
  • STRICT Seated Cable Row
  • Lateral Raises with arms 30’ forward and thumbs pointing down
  • Taking a BREAK from squatting and pressing with barbells and instead do Overhead Pressing and Bench Pressing with Dumbbells and a neutral grip (Palm-in) and squat using a cambered bar, safety bar, etc or do front squats. Do this for a couple weeks every couple of months.
  • Also take a break from full range of motion pressing. Try floor press, pin press, board press, or overhead rack lockouts.
  • Prone Lying Internal Rotations
  • Unilateral Movements (1 arm OH press, 1 arm DB Press, Alternating DB Press, etc)
  • Deceleration or “Catch” drills
  • Isometric Elevated Push-up Holds (exactly what they sound like)
  • High Rep Pushups and Scap Pushups on unstable surfaces (swiss ball, dyna-disc, Bosu Ball, etc)

Stretches:

  • Regular ART, rolfing, deep-tissue massage, foam rolling, etc
  • Thoracic Extensions on the foam roller
  • Shoulder Traction with bands (or a partner pulling on the arm)
  • Doorway Stretches for Pecs

Link to thread I created with warm-ups, exercises and stretches for shoulders, glutes/hips, knees, and ankles:

http://figureathlete.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_model_body_women_training_beauty_figure_train/list_of_prehabilitation_exercises?id=2425019&pageNo=0

Upper back exercises I compiled and posted in a thread on FA:

UPPER BACK
Bent Over BB Row (Parallel or 45 degree)
Reverse Grip Bent Over BB Row
Chest Supported BB Row
Chest Supported DB Row
T Bar Row
Seated Cable Row (Rope, Handles, Independent Handles, V-Bar, Straight Bar)
Elbow Flared Seated Cable Row to Neck
Alternating Standing Cable Row
2 Point DB Row
Band Pull Aparts
Grappler Row
BB or DB Row Paired with Back Extension on GHR
1 Arm Grappler Row
Face Pull
Rack Pull (1/2 Deadlift)
1 Arm DB Row
Bent Over Alternating DB Row
Pullups (Neutral Grip, Supinated, Pronated, with a Mini-Band)
Lat Pulldowns (Wide Grip, Close Grip, Reverse Grip V-Bar, Mini-Band, One Arm)
DB Pullover
BB Pullover
Floor BB Pullover
Cable Straight Arm Pulldowns (Independent, Rope, EZ Bar, Straight Bar)
Kneeling Rope Pulldown
Alternating Kneeling Rope Pulldown
Independent Kneeling Pulldown
Incline DB Row
Incline BB Row
Scarecrow/Rear Delt Flye with Cables
Reverse Pec Deck
Hammer Low Row
Hammer High Row

Link to thread with exercises for all main body parts from FA:

http://figureathlete.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_model_body_women_training_beauty_figure_train/lis_of_exercises_for_main_body_parts

ya, that.

Molly, you are the best!

slaps palm to forehead

I totally forgot about that compilation of exercises for body parts on FA. Its just been so long since I’ve stopped by.

Time for my scapular wall slides and broomstick exercise.

I loved this list when I first started lurking around FA. Thank you!!

You guys are very welcome! Enjoy! =D

Btw, I tried the hypers with hands behind my head. 50 reps, FAIL! I got 2 sets of 12 :-).

[quote]gymgrrl11 wrote:
Btw, I tried the hypers with hands behind my head. 50 reps, FAIL! I got 2 sets of 12 :-).[/quote]

You have just made me feel 100% better. Thanks!

Today’s training had some real high points. Let me explain…

Back squats (to 4 risers and a step)
Bar 1 x 10 warmup
75# 1 x 10
95# 1 x 10
105# 1 x 10
110# 1 x 6 <–Rep PR +1 Last few reps had wicked knee cave
65# 1 x 30 ← Rep PR +10 All these reps were strong

I wasn’t feeling super-great on the squats today and chose to go for some rep PRs over adding moar weight.

Bench Press
70# 3 x 10 <–Rep PR: second set +1, third set + 10

In other words, I’ve never ever done 3 sets of 10 reps before. I got alot of rest before the third set which probably helped me. But trust me. The last 3 reps of the last set were done on anger alone. I just was NOT GONNA FAIL ON THESE FUCKERS AGAIN!

/kimba does happy dance/

Walking lunges
18# body bar, once around the gym

HS Pull Downs (independent handles)
35 kg (or so) 1 x 20

Dips (Real ones, full range of motion at the dip station)
BW 1 x 22 <— PR +1

I was so tired starting these and thought I would poop out at 10, but I just kept going, one at a time until I got to 20. Then I KNEW I had to go for a rep PR and just killed myself squeezing out the last one. But I locked it out, so it totally counts.

Lots of ab work

Cable Hip Adductions/Abductions
7.5kg + 5# plate 3 x 12, two exercises each leg

After getting home and pounding down a greek yogurt, I accompanied hubby to his very first colonoscopy (went fine). What I want to say about that is whenever I spend any time at a hospital, I always leave feeling incredibly lucky and fortunate to have this healthy body that I have. Sometimes I kind of bitch about being middle aged. Well, fuck my whiny self – look at the ninety year old lady over there on oxygen, or the other lady with a spine so bent over that her head is at the level of her hand holding the cane.

Yeah, the lifting is about the buff body and the satisfaction about the numbers on the plates that I can lift. But fitness is also the best insurance I can buy against the ravages of time and disease. Yikes, is all I’ve got to say about that.

You’re welcome! Have you ever tried scapula pushups? Face pulls? I would definitely try throwing face pulls into your workout somewhere if you have trouble holding your shoulders back (although, don’t do it if you can’t hold your chest up during the lift).

congrats on the workout! love to see video of the happy dance! I love goofing off between sets… then letting someone near me know what im listening too… its so lol. great days in the gym last all week sometimes!

[quote]
After getting home and pounding down a greek yogurt, I accompanied hubby to his very first colonoscopy (went fine). What I want to say about that is whenever I spend any time at a hospital, I always leave feeling incredibly lucky and fortunate to have this healthy body that I have. Sometimes I kind of bitch about being middle aged. Well, fuck my whiny self – look at the ninety year old lady over there on oxygen, or the other lady with a spine so bent over that her head is at the level of her hand holding the cane.

Yeah, the lifting is about the buff body and the satisfaction about the numbers on the plates that I can lift. But fitness is also the best insurance I can buy against the ravages of time and disease. Yikes, is all I’ve got to say about that.[/quote]

yeah, to all of this. as frustrated as i get with the patients at work (im trying to help you, stop being an ignorant cunt!), i leave every day knowing how lucky i am to NOT be sick…

one of my pharmacist friends works at a hospital in minnesota… he just emailed me the other day about all the H1N1 deaths hes had, how scary it is bc its young people.

i havent gotten a chance to type out a decent response to him yet, but u reminded me, so u get the rough draft.

people are generally confused about what it means to be “healthy.” “healthy” isnt just being disease free, its being in optimal physical condition, but opc makes most people feel bad, because they’re not putting in enough effort, knowing that medical assistance in the event of a problem is readily accessible and usually affordable, thanks to insurance and welfare.

being “sick” implies that there is a way to get unsick, and that a cure is possible, to return to a disease free state, or even opc.

i refer to the others as “chronic,” in that there is almost always something wrong with them, as though theyve been cursed with plagues.

i havent asked, or researched, but i’d love to know the background of these people dying from H1N1… i can’t imagine healthy people being stricken with something that kills them so indiscriminately. of course, countingbeans says he has H1N1, but who knows how well he takes care of himself usually, or how his immune system has been compromised due to recent stress at work.

ok. /rant. as you were.

Nice work on the happy dance, and dips.