[quote]TooHuman wrote:
However I would argue that all religion is violent because even the most secular Christians threaten their children with eternal damnation and justify abusing their children with scripture.[/quote]
lmao… DD is right. Atheism is a religion, complete with a dogma and everything.
I used to think the same stupid shit when I was a card carrying Militant Atheist.
[quote]BPCorso wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Mr. Obama just referred to this as workplace violence.
I will bet a great swath in Paris support this. Paris has turned into a multiculturalism shithole.
Australia, Canda, France… “Muslims Acting Badly”, coming to a theater near you. [/quote]
Well, Europeans are racist as hell. So, I expect the citizens to act out and burn down a few mosques over this. [/quote]
Good. Give them a taste of their own medicine. The “moderate” muslims are just as guilty as the crazy ones. They KNOW who the crazy ones are. But they turn a blind eye to the craziness. Next thing you know, people are getting killed.
We need to have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy towards radical RELIGION (christians blowing up abortion clinics are JUST as fucked up as muslims blowing shit up).
RELIGION is not a reason to KILL people. We need to move towards a more secular society and place significant restrictions on religion. [/quote]
I’ve been thinking this way recently but more specifically toward Islam (surprise). Since more than three quarters of the world is not Muslim we should all demand that parts of the Koran be changed, outlawed and of course no longer taught.
I really think the only way to stop terrorism though is if we had a real asshole of a POTUS who would politely explain to the Islam world that if there is another organized terrorist attack anywhere in the world X city would disappear from the map. The city could rotate. One month we could announce the nukes are aimed at Tehran, the next month it could be Kabul. A nice little monthly announcement like “People of Islam, this month the citizens of Istanbul are counting on you to put an end to terrorism”. Make all of Islam our unwilling allies in the fight against terror.
Sigh… one can fantasize, right?[/quote]
About mass murder? Why not?[/quote]
They’ve got NO problem whatsoever murdering us, why should we have any qualms about murdering them? And besides, in that scenario, they are WARNED what will happen. If they choose to do it anyway, that’s on them. Last time I checked, they kill us indiscriminately and without warning.
We nuked the shit out of Japan twice, and it ended WWII in the Pacific. Why all of a sudden do we have a problem doing the same thing?
Let us win your hearts and minds, or we’ll burn your damn huts down![/quote]
Committing genocide against millions of people in response to a terrorist attack is absurd and I know both you and On Edge are aware of that. The thought process is disturbing though.
The people of Tehran, Kabul, and Istanbul (cities referenced in OE’s post) have nothing to do with al-Qaeda in Yemen (people responsible for the Paris terrorism). Nuking a random city with a majority muslim population is not remotely close to what happened in WW2. Japan was in open war with us and directly responsible for PH, the people of Instanbul are not in open war with us nor are they responsible for the actions of al-Queda in Yemen. Further, if you think this scenario would result in the ending of terrorism you are sorely mistaken.
It’s utterly ridiculous to suggest nuking Istanbul in response to 12 people dying at the hands of an organization with absolutely no ties to that city. “They” cannot refer to a group of over 1 billion people. If we want to be tough guys, we use strategic attacks against hotbeds of terrorism. The USA has complicated relationships with the GCC countries and Pakistan and that limits us from fighting terrorism. To be clear, I am totally against these bullshit relationships and have for a long time disagreed with the USA playing nice with certain countries and not demanding more accountability b/c of the shaky alliances we have.
One billion people do not act as a homogeneous unit. Should we bomb a random ghetto in New Orleans b/c a black person in California murdered a white person? Should we blow up the Oklahoma City PD b/c a cop in NYC illegitimately murdered a civilian?[/quote]
You don’t get it.
The idea is not revenge on the people who attack us, the idea is get the muslim people to stop aiding and abetting, harboring, idolizing and looking the other way for the terrorist who commit these act. The idea is to get them to start actively preventing terrorist in the first place.
Why do you think it took us so long to get Bin Laden? It took us that long because those people were helping him. In all those years he didn’t come across a single fellow Muslim who thought the events he mastermind were wrong. No one turned him in.
Put fear in them of the consequences and they will police themselves.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
islam is a religion of HATE, not peace.
Let’s define what “hate” is:
-Drawing a distinction between one’s own tribe and those outside of it
-Drawing moral conclusions based on this distinction
-Placing one’s own tribe as “above” or “superior” to other tribes
-Advocating a different standard of treatment based on tribe membership
-Advocating violence against those of other tribes[/quote]
If you didn’t specifically mention Islam on the top, I would have thought you were talking about Judaism.
I never read the Koran, so I have no idea- Does it actually say “kill non-believers” in it?
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Pussies or prudent…
Here’s my concern as an editor: I may make a decision that costs one of my employees their life. Maybe it’s an attack on the newspaper offices, maybe it’s an assassination on the way to work. But, by publishing the cartoon, are we doing it because it’s newsworthy or to be provocative?[/quote]
What if Tim and TC and Laurie get whacked because you posted those on TN?
How about Mod Starr, do we give a fuck if Mod Starr gets fire bombed?
[quote]on edge wrote:
What if Tim and TC and Laurie get whacked because you posted those on TN?
How about Mod Starr, do we give a fuck if Mod Starr gets fire bombed?[/quote]
Honest question- If you got an email stating that there will be an attempt on your fellow employee/significant other’s life if you do X, would you do X?
I say this for everyone here as well. I’m curious what the answers would be.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
islam is a religion of HATE, not peace.
Let’s define what “hate” is:
-Drawing a distinction between one’s own tribe and those outside of it
-Drawing moral conclusions based on this distinction
-Placing one’s own tribe as “above” or “superior” to other tribes
-Advocating a different standard of treatment based on tribe membership
-Advocating violence against those of other tribes[/quote]
If you didn’t specifically mention Islam on the top, I would have thought you were talking about Judaism.
I never read the Koran, so I have no idea- Does it actually say “kill non-believers” in it?
[/quote]
From Wikipedia (sharia entry):
If a person has never been a Muslim, and is a kafir (infidel, unbeliever), Sharia demands that he or she should be offered the choice to convert to Islam and become a Muslim; if they reject the offer, he or she may either be killed, enslaved, or ransomed if captured.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
What if Tim and TC and Laurie get whacked because you posted those on TN?
How about Mod Starr, do we give a fuck if Mod Starr gets fire bombed?[/quote]
Honest question- If you got an email stating that there will be an attempt on your fellow employee/significant other’s life if you do X, would you do X?
I say this for everyone here as well. I’m curious what the answers would be.[/quote]
Which employee?
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
islam is a religion of HATE, not peace.
Let’s define what “hate” is:
-Drawing a distinction between one’s own tribe and those outside of it
-Drawing moral conclusions based on this distinction
-Placing one’s own tribe as “above” or “superior” to other tribes
-Advocating a different standard of treatment based on tribe membership
-Advocating violence against those of other tribes[/quote]
If you didn’t specifically mention Islam on the top, I would have thought you were talking about Judaism.
I never read the Koran, so I have no idea- Does it actually say “kill non-believers” in it?
[/quote]
From Wikipedia (sharia entry):
If a person has never been a Muslim, and is a kafir (infidel, unbeliever), Sharia demands that he or she should be offered the choice to convert to Islam and become a Muslim; if they reject the offer, he or she may either be killed, enslaved, or ransomed if captured.[/quote]
Interesting, being that ISIS captured the aid worker who later converted and they killed him anyway.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
What if Tim and TC and Laurie get whacked because you posted those on TN?
How about Mod Starr, do we give a fuck if Mod Starr gets fire bombed?[/quote]
Honest question- If you got an email stating that there will be an attempt on your fellow employee/significant other’s life if you do X, would you do X?
I say this for everyone here as well. I’m curious what the answers would be.[/quote]
Serious response: If I took the email seriously the first thing I would do before doing anything is call the police. Unless of course “X” is call the police, then I wouldn’t make the call.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Pussies or prudent…
Here’s my concern as an editor: I may make a decision that costs one of my employees their life. Maybe it’s an attack on the newspaper offices, maybe it’s an assassination on the way to work. But, by publishing the cartoon, are we doing it because it’s newsworthy or to be provocative?[/quote]
What if Tim and TC and Laurie get whacked because you posted those on TN?
How about Mod Starr, do we give a fuck if Mod Starr gets fire bombed?[/quote]
Tim, TC, Laurie, and Mod Starr cannot be fucked with, because they lift.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
islam is a religion of HATE, not peace.
Let’s define what “hate” is:
-Drawing a distinction between one’s own tribe and those outside of it
-Drawing moral conclusions based on this distinction
-Placing one’s own tribe as “above” or “superior” to other tribes
-Advocating a different standard of treatment based on tribe membership
-Advocating violence against those of other tribes[/quote]
If you didn’t specifically mention Islam on the top, I would have thought you were talking about Judaism.
I never read the Koran, so I have no idea- Does it actually say “kill non-believers” in it?
[/quote]
From Wikipedia (sharia entry):
If a person has never been a Muslim, and is a kafir (infidel, unbeliever), Sharia demands that he or she should be offered the choice to convert to Islam and become a Muslim; if they reject the offer, he or she may either be killed, enslaved, or ransomed if captured.[/quote]
Interesting, being that ISIS captured the aid worker who later converted and they killed him anyway.
[/quote]
It’s all really just excuses to kill. 911 attacks were revenge for Iraq or something like that. Now they’re killing over cartoons. They’ll always come up with some justification to do some killin. As someone said earlier, if it was just them left in the world they’d be killing each other.
[quote]on edge wrote:
You don’t get it.
The idea is not revenge on the people who attack us, the idea is get the muslim people to stop aiding and abetting, harboring, idolizing and looking the other way for the terrorist who commit these act. The idea is to get them to start actively preventing terrorist in the first place.
Why do you think it took us so long to get Bin Laden? It took us that long because those people were helping him. In all those years he didn’t come across a single fellow Muslim who thought the events he mastermind were wrong. No one turned him in.
Put fear in them of the consequences and they will police themselves.[/quote]
If they are serious, here’s a reason they should stop aiding and abetting, harboring, idolizing and looking the other way for the terrorist who commit these acts: (to paraphrase you…)
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Pussies or prudent…
Here’s my concern as an editor: I may make a decision that costs one of my employees their life. Maybe it’s an attack on the newspaper offices, maybe it’s an assassination on the way to work. But, by publishing the cartoon, are we doing it because it’s newsworthy or to be provocative?[/quote]
What if Tim and TC and Laurie get whacked because you posted those on TN?
How about Mod Starr, do we give a fuck if Mod Starr gets fire bombed?[/quote]
Tim, TC, Laurie, and Mod Starr cannot be fucked with, because they lift.
[/quote]
Damn straight.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Someone please correct me if i’m wrong, but jews, christians, and muslims all believe in the same monotheistic god, correct? [/quote]
You are Wrong! Terribly terribly Wrong! Don’t believe that lie. It is nothing more than a bunch of touchy, feely, new age, bullshit.
Muslims believe that god royally fucked up with Jesus. So allah had to get mohammad to set things right by repudiating Jesus. So no we don’t pray to the same god.
The koran teaches that the holy trinity is a blasphemy, so all Christians are by default blasphemers.
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Mr. Obama just referred to this as workplace violence.
I will bet a great swath in Paris support this. Paris has turned into a multiculturalism shithole.
Australia, Canda, France… “Muslims Acting Badly”, coming to a theater near you. [/quote]
Well, Europeans are racist as hell. So, I expect the citizens to act out and burn down a few mosques over this. [/quote]
Good. Give them a taste of their own medicine. The “moderate” muslims are just as guilty as the crazy ones. They KNOW who the crazy ones are. But they turn a blind eye to the craziness. Next thing you know, people are getting killed.
We need to have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy towards radical RELIGION (christians blowing up abortion clinics are JUST as fucked up as muslims blowing shit up).
RELIGION is not a reason to KILL people. We need to move towards a more secular society and place significant restrictions on religion. [/quote]
Yes there is overwhelming evidence that specifically on this question about insulting Muhammad most muslims worldwide are in support.
However I would argue that all religion is violent because even the most secular Christians threaten their children with eternal damnation and justify abusing their children with scripture.[/quote]
Bullshit. The overwhelming opinion also thinks you should be killed for leaving the religion and stoned for commuting adultery.
Don’t come in with dat shit.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Pussies or prudent…
Here’s my concern as an editor: I may make a decision that costs one of my employees their life. Maybe it’s an attack on the newspaper offices, maybe it’s an assassination on the way to work. But, by publishing the cartoon, are we doing it because it’s newsworthy or to be provocative?[/quote]
What if Tim and TC and Laurie get whacked because you posted those on TN?
How about Mod Starr, do we give a fuck if Mod Starr gets fire bombed?[/quote]
Tim, TC, Laurie, and Mod Starr cannot be fucked with, because they lift.
[/quote]
Early entry for Post Of The Year!!!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
However I would argue that all religion is violent because even the most secular Christians threaten their children with eternal damnation and justify abusing their children with scripture.[/quote]
lmao… DD is right. Atheism is a religion, complete with a dogma and everything.
I used to think the same stupid shit when I was a card carrying Militant Atheist. [/quote]
Well obviously if you’re an atheist in support of the state or “militant” then yes of course you’re advocating and/or participating in violence and the initiation of force.
If your position is there is no empirical evidence for the existence of a super-natural being or world and the initiation of force and rulers are immoral then I don’t see any similarities with religions who utilize the threat of eternal damnation as fact without empirical evidence.
Do you not agree that presenting the threat of eternal damnation as fact to children is fundamental of Christianity?
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Mr. Obama just referred to this as workplace violence.
I will bet a great swath in Paris support this. Paris has turned into a multiculturalism shithole.
Australia, Canda, France… “Muslims Acting Badly”, coming to a theater near you. [/quote]
Well, Europeans are racist as hell. So, I expect the citizens to act out and burn down a few mosques over this. [/quote]
Good. Give them a taste of their own medicine. The “moderate” muslims are just as guilty as the crazy ones. They KNOW who the crazy ones are. But they turn a blind eye to the craziness. Next thing you know, people are getting killed.
We need to have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy towards radical RELIGION (christians blowing up abortion clinics are JUST as fucked up as muslims blowing shit up).
RELIGION is not a reason to KILL people. We need to move towards a more secular society and place significant restrictions on religion. [/quote]
Yes there is overwhelming evidence that specifically on this question about insulting Muhammad most muslims worldwide are in support.
However I would argue that all religion is violent because even the most secular Christians threaten their children with eternal damnation and justify abusing their children with scripture.[/quote]
Bullshit. The overwhelming opinion also thinks you should be killed for leaving the religion and stoned for commuting adultery.
Don’t come in with dat shit.
[/quote]
What’s bullshit? We’re not disagreeing. Killing for leaving the religion and stoned for committing adultery is not supported in a handful of muslim dominated countries, though. All of those things have majority support in many muslim countries. I was just saying that the mocking of Muhammad was specifically all muslim countries with survey data.
In other words you can’t say that it doesn’t apply to all muslim populations like you can with other things like leaving the faith and adultery.
Hello,
French here, will comment a bit later everything… I live in Paris, near the yesterday shootings. This morning, there was again a huge shooting in south of Paris, not far of my family.
2 policemen shot, one of them is hurt but safe the other one between life and death.
Things are going to get ugly in France and Europe.
Edit : 3 mosques seem to have been attacked so far in Le Mans, Vilefranche (bombing) and in another town in south france (shooting) without casualties