The Killing Joke

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[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Instead of being baited by responding to every single poster in this thread who claims I “hate” christianity, I spent some time reading about islam.
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Where did you read this? It’s total crap

I really would like a link, book, or something[/quote]

Observant Muslims believe that there can be no physical manifestation of god, and to believe otherwise is shirk, an unpardonable sin.

The ka’aba is a rock. It’s a very important rock, but no Muslim would mistake it for God, any more than a Jew would mistake the Ark of the Covenant for God, or a Christian mistake the Shroud of Turin for Christ.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Instead of being baited by responding to every single poster in this thread who claims I “hate” christianity, I spent some time reading about islam.
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Where did you read this? It’s total crap

I really would like a link, book, or something[/quote]

Observant Muslims believe that there can be no physical manifestation of god, and to believe otherwise is shirk, an unpardonable sin.

The ka’aba is a rock. It’s a very important rock, but no Muslim would mistake it for God, any more than a Jew would mistake the Ark of the Covenant for God, or a Christian mistake the Shroud of Turin for Christ.[/quote]
Yeah and also on a much more minor note, it’s Muslim end times prophecy that the Kaaba WILL be destroyed, really making that quoted portion not only crap, but “total” crap

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No man is evil in his own mind…

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I firmly disagree.

Evil men are evil and they know it. Religion or political ideology or whatever isn’t really what motivates them, it’s just the given excuse.
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I firmly disagree with your disagreement.

Bad men will generally admit they are bad. Evil men will not.
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You mean they won’t even admit to themselves?

Reminds me of a recurring theme in the Quran

29:8
And We have enjoined upon man goodness to parents. But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them. To Me is your return, and I will inform you about what you used to do.

39:7
If you disbelieve - indeed, Allah is Free from need of you. And He does not approve for His servants disbelief. And if you are grateful, He approves it for you; and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you about what you used to do. Indeed, He is Knowing of that within the breasts.

31:15
But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them but accompany them in [this] world with appropriate kindness and follow the way of those who turn back to Me [in repentance]. Then to Me will be your return, and I will inform you about what you used to do.

36:54
So today no soul will be wronged at all, and you will not be recompensed except for what you used to do.

16:92
And do not be like she who untwisted her spun thread after it was strong [by] taking your oaths as [means of] deceit between you because one community is more plentiful [in number or wealth] than another community. Allah only tries you thereby. And He will surely make clear to you on the Day of Resurrection that over which you used to differ.

10:23
But when He saves them, at once they commit injustice upon the earth without right. O mankind, your injustice is only against yourselves, [being merely] the enjoyment of worldly life. Then to Us is your return, and We will inform you of what you used to do.

6:60
And it is He who takes your souls by night and knows what you have committed by day. Then He revives you therein that a specified term may be fulfilled. Then to Him will be your return; then He will inform you about what you used to do.

5:105
O you who have believed, upon you is [responsibility for] yourselves. Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided. To Allah is you return all together; then He will inform you of what you used to do.

5:48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.

Quran also often defines people by their actions. In other words you do not know yourself well enough to judge you, so be careful. Possibly my favorite theme. It is not meant to be applied to Stalin, Mao, Hitler, but to the reader himself

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[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No man is evil in his own mind…

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I firmly disagree.

Evil men are evil and they know it. Religion or political ideology or whatever isn’t really what motivates them, it’s just the given excuse.
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I firmly disagree with your disagreement.

Bad men will generally admit they are bad. Evil men will not.
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You mean they won’t even admit to themselves?
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Partially, but what I mostly meant is that an evil person doesn’t see his own actions as being evil. The worst evil in the world has been committed in the fervent belief that it was for “the greater good”, by people who thought themselves to be heroes, saviours, and even gods.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Instead of being baited by responding to every single poster in this thread who claims I “hate” christianity, I spent some time reading about islam.
[/quote]

Where did you read this? It’s total crap

I really would like a link, book, or something[/quote]

Observant Muslims believe that there can be no physical manifestation of god, and to believe otherwise is shirk, an unpardonable sin.

The ka’aba is a rock. It’s a very important rock, but no Muslim would mistake it for God, any more than a Jew would mistake the Ark of the Covenant for God, or a Christian mistake the Shroud of Turin for Christ.[/quote]

The ka’aba was a veneration idol to the Nabatean god Hubal

The cult of Hubal practiced divination with arrows and the Qurayshi tribe(Mohammad’s tribe) controlled access to the idol. Later chroniclers attributed the laying of the stone to Mohammad himself but in actuality Mohammad just took over a pre-existing pagan idol worshipping cult based around their shrine in Mecca where images of Hubal were worshipped. Shrines could be big earners in the ancient world(still are in parts of Asia) and the Qurayshi tribe controlled access to a shrine that attracted many pilgrims and a cult, much like the single deity veneration cults of Greece and Rome. They were polytheists who chose a particular deity to exclusively worship centred around a cult and often secret society. This practice was introduced to Greece and Rome from the East and from Egypt and it took on.

Mohammad merely took over an existing cult like his namesake Elijah Muhammad did. He fought a battle with the guys who ran the shrine and took it over the racket himself, incorporating it into his syncretic new religion centred around a reworking of the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament. In one of his “visions” Mohammad says he met with the archangel Michael and the patriarchs of the Jews and the prophets and with Jesus and they all told him how wonderful he was and then he(Mohammad) ascended to heaven above all the other prophets who were beneath him.

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German magazine firebombed for reprinting cartoons:

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Yeah, yeah.

Nothing new under the sun-god.

Kinda like how Moses took over the cult of Yahweh, the Midianite god his wife’s family worshipped, and introduced it to the Israelites in Egypt.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Yeah, yeah.

Nothing new under the sun-god.

Kinda like how Moses took over the cult of Yahweh, the Midianite god his wife’s family worshipped, and introduced it to the Israelites in Egypt.[/quote]

Why do you attribute Yahweh worship origins to the Midianites? You think Zipporah’s father(Reuel), the priest of Midian introduced it to Moses?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Yeah, yeah.

Nothing new under the sun-god.

Kinda like how Moses took over the cult of Yahweh, the Midianite god his wife’s family worshipped, and introduced it to the Israelites in Egypt.[/quote]

Why do you attribute Yahweh worship origins to the Midianites? You think Zipporah’s father(Reuel), the priest of Midian introduced it to Moses?[/quote]

I always thought of Zipporah’s father as being named “Jethro”, but it’s all the same.

Yes, that’s what I figure probably happened. Moses surely wouldn’t have had much exposure to Canaanite monotheistic cults before meeting Zipporah’s tribe.

If there was a Moses, that is.

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Nearly a million are marching in Paris against these terrorists.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Yeah, yeah.

Nothing new under the sun-god.

Kinda like how Moses took over the cult of Yahweh, the Midianite god his wife’s family worshipped, and introduced it to the Israelites in Egypt.[/quote]

Why do you attribute Yahweh worship origins to the Midianites? You think Zipporah’s father(Reuel), the priest of Midian introduced it to Moses?[/quote]

I always thought of Zipporah’s father as being named “Jethro”, but it’s all the same.

Yes, that’s what I figure probably happened. Moses surely wouldn’t have had much exposure to Canaanite monotheistic cults before meeting Zipporah’s tribe.

If there was a Moses, that is.[/quote]

Ah, Jethro - that’s right. Anyway, my point is Judaism from earliest times was specific to the Jewish people. The oldest books of the bible are about the Jewish patriarchs and the captivity and exodus and so on. They didn’t syncretise and graft their religion on top of someone else’s religion. If you’d argued that Jesus took over John the Baptist’s cult then you might’ve had some sort of argument…maybe.

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Where are the lads from the EDL when you need them?

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Where are the lads from the EDL when you need them? [/quote]

Oh? Neo-facists thugs are needed in 2015?

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Where are the lads from the EDL when you need them? [/quote]

Oh? Neo-facists thugs are needed in 2015? [/quote]

Do you feel they have a right to exist?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
No, there is a DISTINCT difference: muslims blow shit up without warning, killing as many people as possible. They choose trains, boats, buildings, markets, businesses. What I am proposing is entirely different. I want to USE THE THREAT of the destruction of the holiest part of their entire religion as a check and balance AGAINST further terrorist attacks.
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Terrorism is the USE or THREAT of violence against non-combatants to achieve political objectives. There exists no distinct difference. Far more Muslims have died in terrorist attacks than non-Muslims. Pakistan alone has lost over 35,000 citizens to terrorism since the events of 11 September 2001. You cannot tenably treat the Islamic world as a homogeneous unit.[/quote]

There are no “non-combatants” in my proposed scenario… What you and most politically correct liberals fail to realize (or openly acknowledge) is that EVERY FUCKING MUSLIM is a potential combatant! Seriously, why do you pretend that they are on the same level with us? They cut the clitorises of of baby girls, worship a child molester and the MAJORITY believe that jihad is sometimes justified. They are fucking ANIMALS that would kill a jew for just being a jew. They are not civilized. They WANT sharia law… The only form of communication they understand (or respect) is VIOLENCE. And besides, they believe that if they die fighting the infidels that they will go to heaven and have virgins (because obviously they are insecure about the size of their cocks so the need virgins). We’d be doing them a favor AND making the world a better place. Win:Win

And I also said that the nuclear option was the LAST option. I think we should start bombing mosques with pig carcases and using every psychological weapon we can to make them feel defiled, cuz they obviously take that shit seriously. Make sure they can’t have a “holy” burial. Embarrass and shame them and humiliate them and defile them first. The campaign should begin with that.

And for those of you that say that will bring on more terrorism, I say GOOD: it flushes out the crazy ones so that we can kill them quicker. I think we can all agree that the crazy terrorists are never going to stop unless we kill them. You peace loving liberals DO understand that, right? WE HAVE TO KILL THEM…[/quote]

You are guilty of gross reductionism. Designating a religious group that constitutes nearly 1/4 of the earth’s population as potential combatants demonstrates a stupendous ignorance of not only Islam, but of international law, ethics, and most importantly, strategy. Are you familiar with the concept of conservation of enemies? Your “panacea” would transform counterterrorism to a discipline concerned with splinters of transnational non-state actors to encompass a demographic that is almost 5.5 times larger than the population of the United States.

It’s of no consequence that your nuclear option has been moved to a option of last resort. The fact that you’ve advocated for it (not to mention the manner in which you’ve done so) is indicative of not only a profound moral bankruptcy, but sheer nescience of fundamental tenets of military strategy.

Terrorists are made, not born. Your proposed campaign of humiliation would increase the number of extremists exponentially. The defense and intelligence communities already have their hands full with the present state of international terrorism and would be unable to respond adequately to the inevitable cascade of Islamic fundamentalism. Yours is a strategy that would profoundly degrade international and national security.

This is not an attack on your intellect, but rather a reaction to an otherwise rational and intelligent man’s alarming immaturity in regard to counterterrorism. If you wish to swell the ranks of militant jihadism and cost America and her allies dearly in blood and treasure, I think your strategy is perfect.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Where are the lads from the EDL when you need them? [/quote]

Oh? Neo-facists thugs are needed in 2015? [/quote]

Do you feel they have a right to exist?
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Did Germany’s brownshirts? Not in their present form which utilizes violence and intimidation, no.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Yeah, yeah.

Nothing new under the sun-god.

Kinda like how Moses took over the cult of Yahweh, the Midianite god his wife’s family worshipped, and introduced it to the Israelites in Egypt.[/quote]

Somebody slept through Sunday school. In fact, that somebody must have been totally unconscious, even comatose, during his Sunday school years.[/quote]

Catechism is hardly historical or scientific. The ancient Israelites were polytheistic. They didn’t worship gods outside of Yahweh, but recognized the existence of the lesser gods of other tribes.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Where are the lads from the EDL when you need them? [/quote]

Oh? Neo-facists thugs are needed in 2015? [/quote]

As far as neo-fascist thugs go, they can all stay in the middle east and Russia as far as I’m concerned. China too, btw. There’s no shortage of them in the world. Just because they don’t salute a swastika doesn’t make them any less fascist or any less dangerous.