[quote]orion wrote:
Invading their countries, impose social mores and political systems upon them they have no way of connecting with, killing a few hundred thousands to make a point…
Y R they mad !?!
Plus, if you have the right to kill lots and lots of people because, values, so do they.
In essence you are saying that you have the right to kill because of your values, because those are the universally right values and those bloody infidels bloody dont, because their values are bloody barbaric.
Which is the pretense used by every butcher, ever, who felt he even needed an excuse. [/quote]
Hello Orion, I hope you’re doing well.
I don’t necessarily agree with you re: “Invading their countries, impose social mores and political systems upon them they have no way of connecting with, killing a few hundred thousands to make a point…”
Unfortunately for your position, Al-Qaeda doesn’t agree with you either. Bin-Laden authored 2 Fatawa, one in 1996 and the second in 1998 both calling for the murder of Americans. The first was called, “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places”. The two Holy Places referred to are Jerusalem and Saudi Arabia as home of Mecca and Medina. We (America) neither invaded either country nor did we impose our social mores and political systems on them. We are, in fact, in SA at the invitation of their government, a fact which galls AQ to no end.
The second Fatwa was written in 1998 and states 3 reasons for declaring war against the US. First, we had and continue to have a presence in SA. Second, we inflicted great devastation upon the Iraqi people (note that this refers to the economic sanctions put in place after the Gulf War, not the occupation associated with the Iraqi War which was still 4 years in the future), and lastly, our support for Israel.
In 2002, in Bin Laden’s “Letters to America” he explicitly stated the reasons for the attack on 9/11. These were Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, US support of Israel, and sanctions against Iraq.
So, nowhere does Bin Laden or AQ list “Invading their countries, impose social mores and political systems upon them they have no way of connecting with, killing a few hundred thousands to make a point…” as the reasons for their attacks on the US.
I’ll go further and say that AQ purposefully goaded us into the war in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to provoke a pan-Islamist movement. In March of 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel’s document "Al Qaeda’s Strategy to the Year 2020. This strategy comprised 5 stages:
- Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on US soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
- Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
- Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the US and its allies in a long war of attrition.
- Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the US and countries allied with the US until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
- The US economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries.
So, yes, I’m explicitly stating that our values are greater/more moral/more universally right than theirs are. They* are barbarians and should be exterminated post haste.
*They = those responsible.