The Killing Joke

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

I don’t think there is any point in trying to figure out why they are the way they are. Self preservation has little or nothing to do with it. Hatred is not rational and they operate on pure hatred not for lands, culture or way of life. They kill because they hate. Why they hate, they themselves may not even know.[/quote]

No. Read what Bismark wrote. At the very least, Al-Qaeda had a clear reason for why they went to war with the U.S.
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This sounds dangerously close to justification to me.
I don’t have time to read all of bismark’s pseudo-academic aimlessly wandering babble about things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, hence I scroll down when I see the walls of mind-numbing recollections of the previous day’s school lecture that have zero to do with the terrorist attacks in France and the problem of large systemic, well organized and coordinated islamic fundamentalism fueling the violence and the west’s propensity to look away, cower to fear, and a stronger desire to be ‘fair’ than be right about the people doing it.
I know why al qaeda said they did it. I just think they are liars. If we pulled every western toe out of arabic lands and gave them everything they say they want, they would still kill us. Hell, it would embolden them to kill us even more.

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https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/colorado-public-school-forcing-girls-to-wear-headscarves-ankles-must-be-covered-on-class-trip-to-denver-mosque/

School girls at a Douglas County public school in Colorado are being forced to cover up from head-to-toe to visit a mosque on a school mandated Common Core trip.

Be wary of Common Core.

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Welp, they’re dead. Now we’ll never get a chance to waterboard them. Damn it.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

please stop trolling the thread big guy

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

The irony is that the “leverage” you speak of is definitively identical with terrorism. [/quote]

No, there is a DISTINCT difference: muslims blow shit up without warning, killing as many people as possible. They choose trains, boats, buildings, markets, businesses. What I am proposing is entirely different. I want to USE THE THREAT of the destruction of the holiest part of their entire religion as a check and balance AGAINST further terrorist attacks.

They have other holy sites. We could start with one of the lesser sites and work our way up to mecca if you felt better about that. Notice, I’m not proposing to kill a bunch of innocent people. We could drop leaflets the day before the attack and drop tear gas a half hour before. If those crazy fuckers CHOOSE to stay as some sort of human shield, they have only themselves to blame if anyone dies.

It’s called a CONSEQUENCE. What we are doing isn’t working. So we need to adapt and find their weakness. I think using aspects of their religion against them would be far more effective than what we are doing. Drop some pig carcasses on their asses and see how they like it. That doesn’t kill anyone, right?

We have to gain the psychological upper hand. That means making them FEAR us more than they currently do. We need to take off the kid gloves.

OR maybe we should just try to reason with them. Perhaps if we asked them nicely they would leave us alone?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Welp, they’re dead. Now we’ll never get a chance to waterboard them. Damn it.[/quote]

Well water board their dead corpses! I’m sick of it damn it! Send a porn star into their masques without a hijab. Give their hijab a handjob damn it!!! I’m tired of these vermin. They all need to leave. Every damn one of them. One way tickets to Iran.

They start this shit here it’s going to start becoming open season on folks with beards and dirty robes.

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[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

please stop trolling the thread big guy[/quote]

CAPITALIZE when you troll me, boy.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

The irony is that the “leverage” you speak of is definitively identical with terrorism. [/quote]

No, there is a DISTINCT difference: muslims blow shit up without warning, killing as many people as possible. They choose trains, boats, buildings, markets, businesses. What I am proposing is entirely different. I want to USE THE THREAT of the destruction of the holiest part of their entire religion as a check and balance AGAINST further terrorist attacks.

They have other holy sites. We could start with one of the lesser sites and work our way up to mecca if you felt better about that. Notice, I’m not proposing to kill a bunch of innocent people. We could drop leaflets the day before the attack and drop tear gas a half hour before. If those crazy fuckers CHOOSE to stay as some sort of human shield, they have only themselves to blame if anyone dies.

It’s called a CONSEQUENCE. What we are doing isn’t working. So we need to adapt and find their weakness. I think using aspects of their religion against them would be far more effective than what we are doing. Drop some pig carcasses on their asses and see how they like it. That doesn’t kill anyone, right?

We have to gain the psychological upper hand. That means making them FEAR us more than they currently do. We need to take off the kid gloves.

OR maybe we should just try to reason with them. Perhaps if we asked them nicely they would leave us alone?[/quote]

omfg at these retarded posts this is a new low for you

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[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

The irony is that the “leverage” you speak of is definitively identical with terrorism. [/quote]

No, there is a DISTINCT difference: muslims blow shit up without warning, killing as many people as possible. They choose trains, boats, buildings, markets, businesses. What I am proposing is entirely different. I want to USE THE THREAT of the destruction of the holiest part of their entire religion as a check and balance AGAINST further terrorist attacks.

They have other holy sites. We could start with one of the lesser sites and work our way up to mecca if you felt better about that. Notice, I’m not proposing to kill a bunch of innocent people. We could drop leaflets the day before the attack and drop tear gas a half hour before. If those crazy fuckers CHOOSE to stay as some sort of human shield, they have only themselves to blame if anyone dies.

It’s called a CONSEQUENCE. What we are doing isn’t working. So we need to adapt and find their weakness. I think using aspects of their religion against them would be far more effective than what we are doing. Drop some pig carcasses on their asses and see how they like it. That doesn’t kill anyone, right?

We have to gain the psychological upper hand. That means making them FEAR us more than they currently do. We need to take off the kid gloves.

OR maybe we should just try to reason with them. Perhaps if we asked them nicely they would leave us alone?[/quote]

omfg at these retarded posts this is a new low for you
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Dude. I get it. We had a disagreement in a different thread. We both said our piece. Grow the fuck up and stop polluting every single thread I post in with your stupid bullshit. It’s disrespectful for the other posters.

If you have a real problem with me, let me know. We can find a place to meet up and settle it like men. But please drop the passive aggressive bullshit.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

…If we pulled every western toe out of arabic lands and gave them everything they say they want, they would still kill us. Hell, it would embolden them to kill us even more.[/quote]

Those that don’t understand this, and there are obviously several of them here, inadvertently promote an ideology that is almost as dangerous as the Islamo-fascists themselves.

The hand-wringing “we’ve gotta be doing something really terrible to cause these folks to hate us so much” blab is stupendously inane. Insane even.[/quote]

These same people will tell you that if Israel just surrendered and quit being so mean to Hamas that they would just live in blissful peace to. “Cuz the Palestinians don’t just hate those mean ole Jews for no reason and they definitely wouldn’t just as soon kill them as live beside them.”

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]BPCorso wrote:

So human progress (including enlightened thinking) and high living standards probably have more to do with Christians easing up on the killing than actually gaining dominance. [/quote]

I think you have it backwards. My understanding is that the church was very much okay with the population not being educated, and resisted, because when hey were the source of educated minds, they had the power.

(I mean, ask a Mason why they are excommunicated upon receiving their first degree. At least all the explanations I’ve heard. Mason’s educated the people.)

I think the Church lost it’s total power as education grew, so evil men went to institutions where the power was. You know, back to Government…

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OK, so I worded that wrong. In that instance “Christians” is referring to people in the dominant cultures of historically Christian nations (Western civilization basically). Western civilization has largely been secularized, even for those that go to church. I was trying to get at why it’s not logical to compare what Christian empires or nations did centuries ago to what’s going on today.

We don’t look at the world same way as a radical Muslim does these days. What’s going on in Israel is not a religious issue for most people in the West. For many Muslims it’s a holy war. Changing mindsets and exponential increases in living standards has made the desire to go to war for Christ vanish for most Westerners. The person I was responding to was arguing it was just b/c Christians were comfortable as the dominant power, and if that power shift reversed, he would expect Christians to resume killing people over religion.

I’m saying Western culture has progressed beyond that point, and if Muslim culture progressed, there wouldn’t be a desire for religious based terrorism. There would just be cold wars and regular wars. For example, we don’t really trust the Chinese and the Chinese don’t trust us. But it’s not because the Chinese think we’re dirty Christians.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

The irony is that the “leverage” you speak of is definitively identical with terrorism. [/quote]

No, there is a DISTINCT difference: muslims blow shit up without warning, killing as many people as possible. They choose trains, boats, buildings, markets, businesses. What I am proposing is entirely different. I want to USE THE THREAT of the destruction of the holiest part of their entire religion as a check and balance AGAINST further terrorist attacks.

They have other holy sites. We could start with one of the lesser sites and work our way up to mecca if you felt better about that. Notice, I’m not proposing to kill a bunch of innocent people. We could drop leaflets the day before the attack and drop tear gas a half hour before. If those crazy fuckers CHOOSE to stay as some sort of human shield, they have only themselves to blame if anyone dies.

It’s called a CONSEQUENCE. What we are doing isn’t working. So we need to adapt and find their weakness. I think using aspects of their religion against them would be far more effective than what we are doing. Drop some pig carcasses on their asses and see how they like it. That doesn’t kill anyone, right?

We have to gain the psychological upper hand. That means making them FEAR us more than they currently do. We need to take off the kid gloves.

OR maybe we should just try to reason with them. Perhaps if we asked them nicely they would leave us alone?[/quote]

omfg at these retarded posts this is a new low for you
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Dude. I get it. We had a disagreement in a different thread. We both said our piece. Grow the fuck up and stop polluting every single thread I post in with your stupid bullshit. It’s disrespectful for the other posters.

If you have a real problem with me, let me know. We can find a place to meet up and settle it like men. But please drop the passive aggressive bullshit.[/quote]

  1. LOL at “every single thread i post in” it’s just this ONE thread.
  2. your posts here are genuinely laughable/troll posts, that’s ALL.
  3. what to even say to let’s meet up and settle this like real men. i will be very kind and call it extremely embarrassing and leave it at that.

it is you being “disrespectful” to others in this thread by posting ridiculous moronic BS. I am merely pointing it out in the hope that you stop as many are contributing good stuff here.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Instead of being baited by responding to every single poster in this thread who claims I “hate” christianity, I spent some time reading about islam. It seems to me that islam wouldn’t exist without mecca. Two of the five pillars of islam involve worshiping that rock. Today, observant muslims believe that it would be impossible for “infidels” to destroy the “kaaba” which is literally the physical manifestation on earth of their “greatest god”.

Turn mecca into a crater. No mecca, no islam. Problem solved.

Their whole world view would crumble. After fourteen centuries their mantra of, “our god is greater” won’t become, “we USED to think our god was greater”… mecca is simply the glass jaw of islam. We don’t even have to nuke it, conventional warheads would work just fine. Although I think nuking it would lend a nicer touch of “finality” that conventional weapons lack. The mushroom cloud above what was once their holiest of holy sites would be downright picturesque…

Now THAT would certainly get their attention more than a fucking cartoon.

Of course we would give them every opportunity to stand down first. But if those fuckers decided to keep blowing shit up, then they can reap what they have sown.[/quote]

Yea, and that would send the world into an economic crisis that could potentially crush world order. The 70’s oil embargo would look like a cake walk.

Their world view would not be crushed, it would just become even more radicalized and confirmed (i.e.; this is a holy was of the highest magnitude). This is an ineffective and simplistic way to demonstrate power and provide consequences. We haven’t even tried moderate consequences yet. Why rush to the most extreme measures?

All the money we’ve spent in Iraq and Afghanistan did basically nothing to curb terrorism. If we spent the same effort and resources focusing on terrorists there would probably be less terrorism. Instead we focused on changing governments and building countries where we have no ties or similarities.

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[quote]magick wrote:
And you misunderstood the point. I’m saying the religion doesn’t matter at all. It’s more about threatened your culture appears to be at that point in time.

Essentially, I disagree with the assertions that religion is responsible. Most of the time, geopolitical issues and the pure concept of power explains things much better. People will frequently use religion to achieve power, but claiming religion is responsible is just making a scapegoat out of it and avoiding the real issue at hand- That if you got rid of religion people will just use something else to gain power with.

You can’t get rid of two of the many fundamental realities of being human- Our desire for wealth and our desire to belong.[/quote]

In many instances what you say is correct. But with terrorism like what happened in Paris the issue is entirely religious. Fanatical people who acted radically, purely based on religion. ISIS is another example of this. Without fanatical religious beliefs, and assuming no severe mental disorders, I just don’t see how people can indiscriminately murder others or use barbaric actions like a pocket knife beheading.

The Russians don’t like us. It’s mainly a power and dominance issue, not religious at all. But do you see Russians acting in the same fanatical manner, beheading people and such and chanting slogans? They can be aggressive and brutal, but it’s not really comparable to islamic terrorism.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

The irony is that the “leverage” you speak of is definitively identical with terrorism. [/quote]

Strongly disagree. A bully will not fuck with someone who is willing to fight back. And when I say bully, I am more accurately referring to the aggressor.

If people know you will unleash Tony Montana style hellfire if they fuck with you, they won’t fuck with you. Not saying you need to provoke or invite trouble, but make it clear we will seriously wreck your shit if you come here looking for trouble.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If we tried this, every Muslim in the world would radicalize.[/quote]

At that point, they wouldn’t be radical. They would be right.[/quote]

It’s called LEVERAGE. I didn’t say bomb it out of the blue. I said THREATEN to bomb it. Put in on the table. Draw a “red line” (and have the balls to back it up).

If the “peace lovin” muslims think their holy site will get bombed if the terrorists bomb our civilians, they might start to think about, I don’t know, TURNING THEM IN.

This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The imam at the mosque near my house was the crazy fucker that got droned. I’d be willing to bet that there are PLENTY of muslims in my neighborhood who KNEW that he was a radical and chose to keep their filthy treasonous mouths shut. If we gave them ALL a potential consequence, then perhaps a few of them might find a conscience. [/quote]

The irony is that the “leverage” you speak of is definitively identical with terrorism. [/quote]

Strongly disagree. A bully will not fuck with someone who is willing to fight back. And when I say bully, I am more accurately referring to the aggressor.

If people know you will unleash Tony Montana style hellfire if they fuck with you, they won’t fuck with you. Not saying you need to provoke or invite trouble, but make it clear we will seriously wreck your shit if you come here looking for trouble.
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But Tony Montana did get fucked with. And that raid on his house at the end of the movie: in our analogy, that is thermonuclear apocalypse.

It is true what many of our enemies say: “Americans love Pepsi Cola; we love death.” Radical Muslims would be falling over each other to attack us if they thought that such an attack might occasion nuclear war, which would lead to world war, which would lead to death, which they are far happier to accept than we.

We are doing fine right now. Islamic terrorists have killed a few thousand of our citizens over the course of decades. Why in god’s name would we fuck this up by dropping a nuclear bomb and changing literally everything?

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]BPCorso wrote:

It is horseshit to immigrate to another country and make no effort to assimilate.

[/quote]

Agreed. I have traveled all over the world and where I went, I respected their laws and their culture. I had no expectation of people in another country where I am a guest to cater to me. I don’t think I am particularly good or wonderful for having that attitude. I think it’s just commonly decent to respect the fact that I am a guest in their country I need to show them respect. And in return, I was treated kindly and respected as well. [/quote]

Why does everyone keep forgetting that the Charlie Hebdo shooters were born and raised in Paris? They are homegrown terrorists.[/quote]

To clarify, that wasn’t talking about the terrorists. It was in response to a French dude (bisuki I believe) who was saying he’s experienced a growing, albeit minority, number of immigrants who talk in public about how much they hate French culture. I then gave a link to a month-old article about French people who went on their big adventure to join ISIS, and we’re now writing letters home bitching about their broke iPods and being scared to actually fight. You want all the nice comforts, but want to forcefully reject the culture and that is wrong.

Admittedly, this is a tangent but that’s what happens in these long ass threads. Also, Pat is completely right. Any decent person does exactly that. Shitty people don’t.