The Joys of Equality

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I was asking because you attacked my writing first not the issue, I was not attacking you because of ur religion and so forth my brother. And yes I was at first insinuating when you only attacked my writing skills, lol… I was assuming you had me as a white guy because you my friend attacked my writing instead of the issue.

Also, I am like you in belief of religion. Your initial response came off as a snide remark Brother Chris.
Back to topic at hand, this is pretty much affirmative action in action. Its kinda of sad in my opinion, as a minority I have seen sorry pieces of shit get advanced due only to the color of there skin, I was not impressed at all. I was depressed. I was advanced only because of my lighter shade of brown, not because of my skills. In defense of my self I was top grade.

I have seen pilots who are not qualified to fly…the same applies to a Man or Woman who is allowed to enforce the law and carry a weapon. Higher standards are held for those in power.

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[quote]jre67t wrote:
I was asking because you attacked my writing first not the issue, I was not attacking you because of ur religion and so forth my brother. And yes I was at first insinuating when you only attacked my writing skills, lol… I was assuming you had me as a white guy because you my friend attacked my writing instead of the issue.

Also, I am like you in belief of religion. Your initial response came off as a snide remark Brother Chris.
Back to topic at hand, this is pretty much affirmative action in action. Its kinda of sad in my opinion, as a minority I have seen sorry pieces of shit get advanced due only to the color of there skin, I was not impressed at all. I was depressed. I was advanced only because of my lighter shade of brown, not because of my skills. In defense of my self I was top grade.

I have seen pilots who are not qualified to fly…the same applies to a Man or Woman who is allowed to enforce the law and carry a weapon. Higher standards are held for those in power. [/quote]

Yes, yes…I’m a smart ass. I have seen several students who have gotten in off the basis of increasing ratios. I do not much care ultimately because I have always been at the top of my classes, so I never had to rely on the color of my skin and such thought it was hilarious that others know deep down that the only reason they were there was because of some arbitrary reason that and nothing to do with their ability to do well in school and hope they realize the blessings from G-d they received. However, anytime I get the chance I vote against affirmative action.

I know…I know I am an asshole for voting against affirmative action.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.

Kinda just waiting for someone to come out and say the underlying theme of the thread: White people are just smarter and better than minorities, and those dumb/lazy blacks/mexicans are bringing everything down, and "equality’ ruins everything for the better (white) people.

[/quote]

Well, I certainly don’t think that but what are we saying when we lower the standards in order to hire more minorities? What’s going on there?

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nah, you are just an asshole, regardless of how you vote.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
nah, you are just an asshole, regardless of how you vote. [/quote]

Is it because I’m Catholic or because I’m Irish? Or, is it because my ancestors civilized the Aztecs? Or, because I’m Conservative?

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I hate affirmative action as well.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Kinda just waiting for someone to come out and say the underlying theme of the thread: White people are just smarter and better than minorities, and those dumb/lazy blacks/mexicans are bringing everything down, and "equality’ ruins everything for the better (white) people.[/quote]

Setting aside your own myopic and irrational leap to ascribe bad faith motives to critics of this “reform”, if you think there are external forces creating this “inequality”, the solution is not to lower performance standards, but to remedy the problems caused by external forces.

I don’t necessarily think external forces are to exclusively to blame for minorities’ less-than-spectacular - and my belief is based, in part, on personal observation and experience - but in any event, criticizing such an idiotic reform as hint, hint “racist!” is beneath contempt.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.

Kinda just waiting for someone to come out and say the underlying theme of the thread: White people are just smarter and better than minorities, and those dumb/lazy blacks/mexicans are bringing everything down, and "equality’ ruins everything for the better (white) people.

[/quote]

Well, I certainly don’t think that but what are we saying when we lower the standards in order to hire more minorities? What’s going on there?[/quote]

We’re saying we don’t care why they’re getting lower scores. We dont care to explore the economic, psychological, social or cultural factors that could lead to certain types of people not doing well on certain tests. And we sure as HELL aren’t going to listen to them about it.

We’re just going to lower the standards. Myopic problem solving.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Kinda just waiting for someone to come out and say the underlying theme of the thread: White people are just smarter and better than minorities, and those dumb/lazy blacks/mexicans are bringing everything down, and "equality’ ruins everything for the better (white) people.[/quote]

Setting aside your own myopic and irrational leap to ascribe bad faith motives to critics of this “reform”, if you think there are external forces creating this “inequality”, the solution is not to lower performance standards, but to remedy the problems caused by external forces.
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I’m starting to wonder if my respect for you on these boards is misplaced. You totally missed the point of my post. Here’s a hint - its in the line you omitted.

“This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.”

“the solution is not to lower performance standards, but to remedy the problems caused by external forces.”

We said the same thing.

[quote]
I don’t necessarily think external forces are to exclusively to blame for minorities’ less-than-spectacular - and my belief is based, in part, on personal observation and experience - but in any event, criticizing such an idiotic reform as hint, hint “racist!” is beneath contempt.[/quote]

I wasn’t criticizing the reform as racist, I was critizing the response to the reform.

You honestly seem more intent on disagreeing with me than reading what I write.

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[quote]jre67t wrote:
I hate affirmative action as well. [/quote]

I have mixed feelings about it. I like what it wants to accomplish, I really dont like how it tries to go about it.

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So they couldn’t get qualified blacks to take the job (take the test) so they lowered the standards to get more unqualified minorities qualified?

That sounds almost as stupid as implying that blacks couldn’t pass the exam.

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I wonder what the tests are made up of.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.

Kinda just waiting for someone to come out and say the underlying theme of the thread: White people are just smarter and better than minorities, and those dumb/lazy blacks/mexicans are bringing everything down, and "equality’ ruins everything for the better (white) people.

[/quote]

Well, I certainly don’t think that but what are we saying when we lower the standards in order to hire more minorities? What’s going on there?[/quote]

We’re saying we don’t care why they’re getting lower scores. We dont care to explore the economic, psychological, social or cultural factors that could lead to certain types of people not doing well on certain tests. And we sure as HELL aren’t going to listen to them about it.

We’re just going to lower the standards. Myopic problem solving.[/quote]

In a broad sense, I do not disagree with you. However, “certain kind of tests?” The civil service test? Any fucking retard could/should pass that. If you doubt me, just look around at your current LEO and other public service employees.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.

Kinda just waiting for someone to come out and say the underlying theme of the thread: White people are just smarter and better than minorities, and those dumb/lazy blacks/mexicans are bringing everything down, and "equality’ ruins everything for the better (white) people.

[/quote]
Well hello there. This is why segregation would be a good thing. Non-whites don’t have to be jealous about the achievement of whites and whenever there is trouble in a non-white community, associated non-white experts will be there to take care of it, preventing accusations of bias or racism. Meanwhile, whenever a white person is in trouble in his or her community, (s)he can be sure that affirmative action and equality are put in the backburner and the people coming to help will be meritocratically selected for the job.

Affirmative action in education and the jobmarket is extremely costly for whites and sometimes even the non-whites. It’s come to the point where non-whites don’t have to really have anything to show for them, it’s enough for Hollywood, colleges and the state to pretend that they do and turn an F into an A. Just like the catholic papal system where a dementic old guy is hailed as a messenger of God and any accusations of incompetency will be dismissed on the basis that he’s sitting on that throne. I guess the difference is the catholic church does not claim that demented white men with little on their record are all divine but the liberal multicult claims that non-whites must so be, because a semi-black who cannot do acceptable college work was jokingly elected a president, or because Hollywood is able to cast any historical white figure as black.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So they couldn’t get qualified blacks to take the job (take the test) so they lowered the standards to get more unqualified minorities qualified?

That sounds almost as stupid as implying that blacks couldn’t pass the exam. [/quote]
Which makes you ask what else could they do? Presumably the applicants will be average whites, average blacks etc. The average white brain is 10% or so bigger than the average black brain. They could start marketing the forces as being for smart, upstanding black people of course. In which case, the whites would also take notice and since the purpose of entry tests is to establish winners and losers, the blacks would still have it worse because there would be too many well suited whites competing for the same job/education.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if my respect for you on these boards is misplaced. You totally missed the point of my post. Here’s a hint - its in the line you omitted.

“This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.”

“the solution is not to lower performance standards, but to remedy the problems caused by external forces.”

We said the same thing.[/quote]

If so, then fine, but it wasn’t that clear from what you wrote. In any event, the problem I have is with your attribution of criticism of this wrong-headed “reform” in this forum as being the product of racist motives.

I wasn’t clear, and yes, that is exactly what I am addressing - your baseless criticism of the response to the reform as “racist”.

[quote]You honestly seem more intent on disagreeing with me than reading what I write.
[/quote]

Not really - I just don’t gloss over when someone pulls the “racist” card out of thin air in order to slander someone with no basis for it, which you did.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if my respect for you on these boards is misplaced. You totally missed the point of my post. Here’s a hint - its in the line you omitted.

“This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.”

“the solution is not to lower performance standards, but to remedy the problems caused by external forces.”

We said the same thing.[/quote]

If so, then fine, but it wasn’t that clear from what you wrote. In any event, the problem I have is with your attribution of criticism of this wrong-headed “reform” in this forum as being the product of racist motives.

I wasn’t clear, and yes, that is exactly what I am addressing - your baseless criticism of the response to the reform as “racist”.

[quote]You honestly seem more intent on disagreeing with me than reading what I write.
[/quote]

Not really - I just don’t gloss over when someone pulls the “racist” card out of thin air in order to slander someone with no basis for it, which you did.[/quote]

“Oh joy, look at the effects of ‘equality’. They’re lowering test scores to get more minorities on polices forces! Now everyone is going to be in danger because we’ll have incompetent police because minorities couldnt pass the test! And they care more about ‘equality’ than having competent officers.”

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“Stupid minorities and liberals are ruining everything!”

Yup. Underlying theme of racism. Thanks for playing.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

“Oh joy, look at the effects of ‘equality’. They’re lowering test scores to get more minorities on polices forces! Now everyone is going to be in danger because we’ll have incompetent police because minorities couldnt pass the test! And they care more about ‘equality’ than having competent officers.”

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“Stupid minorities and liberals are ruining everything!”

Yup. Underlying theme of racism. Thanks for playing.[/quote]

This was exactly my point - your “leap” that this statement equates to racism isn’t justified, and that is what I was criticizing.

In any event, criticizing “liberals” for dumb policies predicated on political correctness isn’t racism, nor is a concern that competence standards being lowered in the name of this “political correctness” will harm the quality of police and fire protection.

In short, your “equation” is bad math. Thanks for playing.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if my respect for you on these boards is misplaced. You totally missed the point of my post. Here’s a hint - its in the line you omitted.

“This has nothing to do with equality. Its an example of myopic problem solving.”

“the solution is not to lower performance standards, but to remedy the problems caused by external forces.”

We said the same thing.[/quote]

If so, then fine, but it wasn’t that clear from what you wrote. In any event, the problem I have is with your attribution of criticism of this wrong-headed “reform” in this forum as being the product of racist motives.

I wasn’t clear, and yes, that is exactly what I am addressing - your baseless criticism of the response to the reform as “racist”.

[quote]You honestly seem more intent on disagreeing with me than reading what I write.
[/quote]

Not really - I just don’t gloss over when someone pulls the “racist” card out of thin air in order to slander someone with no basis for it, which you did.[/quote]

“Oh joy, look at the effects of ‘equality’. They’re lowering test scores to get more minorities on polices forces! Now everyone is going to be in danger because we’ll have incompetent police because minorities couldnt pass the test! And they care more about ‘equality’ than having competent officers.”

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“Stupid minorities and liberals are ruining everything!”

Yup. Underlying theme of racism. Thanks for playing.[/quote]

first, a statement of fact isn’t and cannot be racist. You not liking the facts doesn’t make them racist.

Second, the blame was placed on the people lowering the requirements, not the unqualified people themselves. While that does have an undertone of blaming liberals, it has nothing to do with race.

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this thread is racist !