The Inauguration

[quote]masonator wrote:
Professor X wrote:
masonator wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
But mostly I wish it would be over already so I wouldn’t have to hear about it anymore.

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Yes, because the first Black president is such a minor issue that we want it to end as quickly as possible.

I understand that Obama being black is different than the past and that some people find that important. I don’t. Obviously I’m white, but I truly don’t think it should matter what color our president is. To me, the only thing that matters is policy. I disagree with nearly all of Obama’s policy, and am quite disappointed that some people, completely ignorant of his proposed policies voted for him simply because of his race.

So yes, I am tired of hearing about it because it does nothing but make me LOSE hope for our country, since so many of it’s citizens are sheep.[/quote]

I disagree with his policy also, and can’t wait to see how he “fixes” our country.

[quote]jayski wrote:
But, there is no way anyone can deny, this is a very historical day. A black man is the President of the United States! This is very significant and meaningful. There is no way 100 years ago this would have even been thought possible. In fact, it was only a pipe dream just a year ago. Seeing the older black people cry said it all. They had to personally endure a lot of crap in their long lives, I’m sure while Obama was giving his speech, they were thinking back to the times where every thing was literally labeled “Whites only” and “no coloreds allowed”, They probably were remembering when it was a big sticking deal when blacks and whites started going to school together.

Slavery, the excessive hate crimes, the lynchings, KKK, hostile white attitudes and actions, unfair opportunities, that’s also not to mention the events during the civil rights movement that have led to today. A black person couldn’t even sit in the front of the bus, and now we have a black person in the oval office!

Obama may not live up to his hype, and you can’t blame him for that if he doesn’t, as it had sort of become expected of him even before he started making speeches of change. I think the overhype people have made him out to be might be disappointed even if he does do a great job. I’m personally not expecting great things from him, mainly cause I don’t expect anything from him. He’s not supposed to run our lives and solve our problems, he’s the president it’s not his job to do that.

Whether you like him or not, I’d say just give him a chance, if he sucks, then in four years we vote in someone else. I’ll admit even though I didn’t care for Bush, I’ll will actually miss his stutter-filled speeches. Probably the most inarticulate president we ever had. They were funny, it’s as though he just wanted to stop mid-sentence somewhere and say “Fuck it, I want a beer and then crash, night.”[/quote]

Exactly. Rosa Parks did her thing in 1955 and MLK gave his “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963. People posting on T-Nation (none of whom are ancient to the best of my knowledge) were alive then. Only a fool would deny that today is a momentous day. Seeing the elderly people in that crowd crying openly…how could anyone not be moved??

I’m inclined to agree with the latter part of your post as well. People are expecting too much. I’ll just be happy if he turns out not to be scum.

[quote]jayski wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record…I would so paint the White House black.

There would be a black fist at the top of each flag pole and all interns would have to wear afros.

Hey what about the posse? We got the interns with the afro’s but he’s got to have some brothers backing him up. What you think? Modern thug look or 70’s style complete with the afro’s as well? [/quote]

Undercover Brother should be employed.

I think there will be more harm done than good!!!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Exactly. Rosa Parks did her thing in 1955 and MLK gave his “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963. People posting on T-Nation (none of whom are ancient to the best of my knowledge) were alive then. Only a fool would deny that today is a momentous day. Seeing the elderly people in that crowd crying openly…how could anyone not be moved??
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Because many of us have a hard time believing that the emotions would have been the same if it was a black conservative taking the Oath.

[quote]tedro wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Exactly. Rosa Parks did her thing in 1955 and MLK gave his “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963. People posting on T-Nation (none of whom are ancient to the best of my knowledge) were alive then. Only a fool would deny that today is a momentous day. Seeing the elderly people in that crowd crying openly…how could anyone not be moved??

Because many of us have a hard time believing that the emotions would have been the same if it was a black conservative taking the Oath.[/quote]

Maybe you’re right. Although as I recall Colin Powell generated quite a bit of excitement, too, didn’t he?

Obama’s very easy on the eye, which generates emotion as well. But does it really matter?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record… all interns would have to wear afros.

Yeah Boyeee

Black House security enforcer. [/quote]

Good call X. She was my next choice. After Eartha Kitt.

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All I need now is entourage. [/quote]

Count me in.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
tedro wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Exactly. Rosa Parks did her thing in 1955 and MLK gave his “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963. People posting on T-Nation (none of whom are ancient to the best of my knowledge) were alive then. Only a fool would deny that today is a momentous day. Seeing the elderly people in that crowd crying openly…how could anyone not be moved??

Because many of us have a hard time believing that the emotions would have been the same if it was a black conservative taking the Oath.

Maybe you’re right. Although as I recall Colin Powell generated quite a bit of excitement, too, didn’t he?

Obama’s very easy on the eye, which generates emotion as well. But does it really matter?
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Colin Powell would have generated pretty much the same response…short of the “Obama Girl” crap that came up because Obama is seen as younger and more in tuned with pop culture than many past presidents.

Political stance alone would not have swayed this basic emotion. Most blacks who lived through the 50’s and 60’s as adults are looking at a day they never thought would occur as long as they were still on the planet.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Maybe you’re right. Although as I recall Colin Powell generated quite a bit of excitement, too, didn’t he?
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Colin Powell isn’t exactly conservative.

Of course it matters. Why then is this inauguration such a huge event? Is it because it shows that there is no longer a racial barrier to becoming POTUS, or is it because we have elected the most leftist president in history who happens to be a minority?

It’s widely believed Powell could have been elected president should he have chose to run in 2000. Also, the simple fact that Obama won the democratic primary and proved to be a viable candidate in the general elections should have been more that enough to show that this racial barrier was no longer present.

Of course, there is a difference between showing in theory that a black man can become president and actually inaugruating one, but this takes me back to my original point that emotions would not have been the same if a black conservative, such as Alan Keyes, was elected.

Thus, one can only logically conclude that the basis of these emotions is not simply that a black man has taken office, but instead is that the most liberal president ever and all of his associated socialist policies that happens to also be black has been elected.

I am not moved in the least to find so many Americans getting emotional over the election of one with such views.

No cabinet position for (future) President Camacho?

That is one ugly drag queen.

[quote]conorh wrote:
entheogens wrote:
conorh wrote:
Yeah, because the Bush regime, and presumable McCain would follow suit, did such a good job protecting out constitutionally afforded rights.

Are you making a funny?

On a related note, how soon can Obama start doing presidential things? When can he start issuing executive orders?

12 noon Eastern Standard Time, no?

The swearing in happened a few minutes late and, as I understand it, the transfer of power took place BEFORE the actual swearing-in. At least this was what was reported on NPR.

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. I’m hoping Obama will dismantle the shenannigans at Gitmo as one of his first orders, hence my interest.

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We can only hope that he releases them near Washington DC. Or Iowa.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
conorh wrote:
entheogens wrote:
conorh wrote:
Yeah, because the Bush regime, and presumable McCain would follow suit, did such a good job protecting out constitutionally afforded rights.

Are you making a funny?

On a related note, how soon can Obama start doing presidential things? When can he start issuing executive orders?

12 noon Eastern Standard Time, no?

The swearing in happened a few minutes late and, as I understand it, the transfer of power took place BEFORE the actual swearing-in. At least this was what was reported on NPR.

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. I’m hoping Obama will dismantle the shenannigans at Gitmo as one of his first orders, hence my interest.

We can only hope that he releases them near Washington DC. Or Iowa.
[/quote]

Nope. He wants to bring them right here to the middle of Kansas. Thanks Barry!

[quote]tedro wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Maybe you’re right. Although as I recall Colin Powell generated quite a bit of excitement, too, didn’t he?

Colin Powell isn’t exactly conservative.

Obama’s very easy on the eye, which generates emotion as well. But does it really matter?

Of course it matters. Why then is this inauguration such a huge event? Is it because it shows that there is no longer a racial barrier to becoming POTUS, or is it because we have elected the most leftist president in history who happens to be a minority?

It’s widely believed Powell could have been elected president should he have chose to run in 2000. Also, the simple fact that Obama won the democratic primary and proved to be a viable candidate in the general elections should have been more that enough to show that this racial barrier was no longer present.

Of course, there is a difference between showing in theory that a black man can become president and actually inaugruating one, but this takes me back to my original point that emotions would not have been the same if a black conservative, such as Alan Keyes, was elected.

Thus, one can only logically conclude that the basis of these emotions is not simply that a black man has taken office, but instead is that the most liberal president ever and all of his associated socialist policies that happens to also be black has been elected.

I am not moved in the least to find so many Americans getting emotional over the election of one with such views.
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I’m not sure how you “logically conclude” anything, since you have no way of knowing how anyone would have reacted to the nomination or inauguration of someone like Alan Keyes.

That formerly disenfranchised people believe that this inauguration ushers in a new era of belonging makes the moment an important one. The belief itself is important for its own sake. Sometimes emotions are widespread enough that they matter in and of themselves. Economic panic, for example, matters in and of itself, whatever its basis, because it has the power to effect real change in the markets.

This is another example of emotion being a matter of historic and global significance.

[quote]tedro wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
conorh wrote:
entheogens wrote:
conorh wrote:
Yeah, because the Bush regime, and presumable McCain would follow suit, did such a good job protecting out constitutionally afforded rights.

Are you making a funny?

On a related note, how soon can Obama start doing presidential things? When can he start issuing executive orders?

12 noon Eastern Standard Time, no?

The swearing in happened a few minutes late and, as I understand it, the transfer of power took place BEFORE the actual swearing-in. At least this was what was reported on NPR.

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. I’m hoping Obama will dismantle the shenannigans at Gitmo as one of his first orders, hence my interest.

We can only hope that he releases them near Washington DC. Or Iowa.

Nope. He wants to bring them right here to the middle of Kansas. Thanks Barry![/quote]

Well, if I were in their martyrdom vests, I’d be overjoyed. DC and New York are only a greyhound ride away.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m not sure how you “logically conclude” anything, since you have no way of knowing how anyone would have reacted to the nomination or inauguration of someone like Alan Keyes.
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Unless you truly believe that the widespread display of emotion by both the people and the media would have been the same, then it is indeed a logical conclusion.

It is nonsensical to argue this point any further, as I agree that there is no way to prove this. Sadly, we are left with Obama as are one and only example for this case.

I never said there wasn’t significance. I simply said the emotions do not move me. I am indeed saddened that the unique, historic distinction of First Black US President is being wasted on Obama. It is quite a shame. I would likely be moved to see a widespread display of emotion for a more honorable black man.

I am also a bit disturbed by the mentality that runs through Obama’s many fans and the media, or the disenfrachised as you put it, that they can now vote in any shmuck that promises to give them the most handouts. I pray that this is not a precedent.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
malonetd wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record…I would so paint the White House black.

There would be a black fist at the top of each flag pole and all interns would have to wear afros.

Great, whats next? A gay man becoming president and painting it like a rainbow?

Besides if you did, you would have to change the name or it’d just be silly.

What if it’s a gay, black man?

Then we paint it black but leave the back door wide open?

Black power fists with limp wrists on every flag poll?

I think it would even be interesting to have a single person president.[/quote]

Surely it would be black power fisting.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
conorh wrote:
entheogens wrote:
conorh wrote:
Yeah, because the Bush regime, and presumable McCain would follow suit, did such a good job protecting out constitutionally afforded rights.

Are you making a funny?

On a related note, how soon can Obama start doing presidential things? When can he start issuing executive orders?

12 noon Eastern Standard Time, no?

The swearing in happened a few minutes late and, as I understand it, the transfer of power took place BEFORE the actual swearing-in. At least this was what was reported on NPR.

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. I’m hoping Obama will dismantle the shenannigans at Gitmo as one of his first orders, hence my interest.

We can only hope that he releases them near Washington DC. Or Iowa.
[/quote]

That strikes me with the mortal fear that they could attack a silo or taint some pork?

[quote]conorh wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
conorh wrote:
entheogens wrote:
conorh wrote:
Yeah, because the Bush regime, and presumable McCain would follow suit, did such a good job protecting out constitutionally afforded rights.

Are you making a funny?

On a related note, how soon can Obama start doing presidential things? When can he start issuing executive orders?

12 noon Eastern Standard Time, no?

The swearing in happened a few minutes late and, as I understand it, the transfer of power took place BEFORE the actual swearing-in. At least this was what was reported on NPR.

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. I’m hoping Obama will dismantle the shenannigans at Gitmo as one of his first orders, hence my interest.

We can only hope that he releases them near Washington DC. Or Iowa.

That strikes me with the mortal fear that they could attack a silo or taint some pork?
[/quote]

They don’t handle pork.

Sounds like you’re ready for them to move in. Enjoy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090113/ts_nm/us_usa_guantanamo;_ylt=AuVlKWJLI5NXLJxBCyziEjd34T0D

Just hope they don’t do something like this:

ITT: Butthurt Republifags