The Impeachment Hearings

Not to mention I’m on the lunatic fringe. Unpopular ideas aren’t popular. Who knew?

I enjoy the banter @treco

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They support the warm and fuzzy idea of other people in unions, just not joining them and paying compulsury dues themselves.

I support unions myself by the way when they’re voluntary. Just not laws that force employers to except one or force employees to join one if they want to work at a place.

If I call a union electrician hall I can expect that I’m getting a good electrician for a premium price. I’m good with that. I’m not okay with forcing that electrician to join a union if he wants to sell his labor to a utility company.

“The union membership rate of public-sector workers (33.9 percent)
continued to be more than five times higher than that of private-sector
workers (6.4 percent). (See table 3.)”

Ideas not backed up by facts are unpopular…with the coherent.

Not at all and I think that’s a straw man.

Firstly, bureaucracy’s function was and is to make the day-to-day routines and processes more reliable and better. Think if the post office before we had UPS etc. Naturally it doesn’t do this as “govt bureaucracy” is a term used for all that is poorly run, but that was the goal and for a time the best option

Secondly bureaucracy does nothing about policy choices-it just executes said policy and helps transit from administration to administration smoother. You still need policy makers.

Thirdly, AI is in no way possible or desirable. I’ll assume you were being tongue in cheek.

These are your words, so why is my statement a strawman? The sinister meaning of dark state being that the bureaucracy more or less does what they think appropiate, as opposed to obeying a directive from an elected official.

Vindman said as much yesterday. He knows better and others need not bother him, as the subject expert.

AI statement was intended as a bit of sarcasm. But if the richest people in the world have monetized algorithms to reach their position, why would the political realm be verboten?

“Others” being Soviet-born mobsters working for Trump’s lawyer who repeatedly claimed that they were on a “secret mission” for POTUS?

You have facts that show an increase in private sector unionism? Please share.

Circling back to topic, since we’re no more than five posts away from a nonsense looneytarian debate over the premise “of course a private citizen can own a nuclear weapon”, Ambassador Sondland let it rip today:

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Before someone counters with Hunter Biden whataboutism today:

This is the fake story, straight from Russia’s official news agency, formerly called the Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union (TASS, they’ve kept the acronym) which is making the rounds in conservative circles filtered through Zerohedge, Gateway Pundit and others:

I’ve written this probably dozens of times, but can anyone even imagine the reaction of mid-20th century Republicans had they known that in the 21st century self-professed American “conservatives” would consider as absolute truth anything that TASS would write?

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@loppar, @thunderbolt23 and others;

One thing that I think is being missed about the value of these experienced, often demonized “Deep State” individuals in State, Commerce and other departments is that they are the ones who truly iron out the Specifics of things like treaties and tariffs.

Yes. There is a President and some cabinet level person who sets the overall policy, and who shake hands for the cameras when there is an “agreement”; but it is up to these individuals to sit down and iron out the specifics; hammer out the details; and actually write the documents.

This is not work for inexperienced surrogates like Kushner, Giuliani and others…and I think we are beginning to see the cost in terms of what is being reveled in these hearings; what is happening with China; and with our diplomacy in general.

I think that any President is ill-advised to demonize these dedicated public servants and to crush their moral in doing so.

Thoughts?

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As per the articles posted:

Did anyone actually think that the Russians were going to stop their program of misinformation, simply because Trump has been “tough” on them?

Getting Trump into office was only one of their Goals (and perhaps the least important).

The more important one was to create chaos and political discord in the U.S.

It seems to me that Putin is 2 for 2.

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Agreed. This is the logical end result of the anti-government idiocy that the became the Right’s new fundamentalism. We need good public servants in critical roles, diplomats being one.

These patriots do the work. Trump and his mindless minions have shit on this noble work done in service to Americans, and it’ll take time to rebuild it.

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Cross examination by Republican congressmen, won’t see this on CNN. No direct evidence or conversations, merely presumption. Not that it will change any minds, but worth a watch at least.

Of course we all know Trump is a brilliant 4D chess master mobster and he never tells anyone to do anything directly, merely hints at it.

I saw this on CNN.

He made it abundantly clear during the Dem questions as well that it was never directly said.

My 8 year old knows how to strongly hint at something without saying it. The 4 year old can too, it’s just a bit more blatant. Acting like it requires 4D chess master status… I mean… The 4 year old isn’t even that quick yet.

I’ll take “Garden Variety NYC RE Guy Move” for $1200 Alex.

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It just will never cease to amaze me how two people can listen and see the same thing…and come to completely different conclusions.

How one views these hearings; and what is and what is not said; is a clear case in point.

For me; it is beyond frustrating.

Lol… Keep doubling down. You smug elitist dildos just can’t help yourselves.

Thanks. I remember you as the worm who peddled Race and IQ horseshit theories in the past, in addition to your usual crap posting. You’d do well to just skip past my posts.

So, the uncontroverted evidence is Trump engaged in quid pro quo, hoping to exchange influence (a meeting with the President, etc.) for campaign dirt on Biden - then, suddenly, $400 million in aid to Ukraine (already approved by Congress) gets suspended, but that has nothing to do with the attempt at the quid pro quo? It’s unrelated?

Hilarious. Note to Trumpkins - circumstantial evidence is evidence. You don’t have to have “direct evidence” or “conversations” when evidence that piles up like this.

Don’t put your credibility on the line with this,sort of stuff.

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Which would make you a smug hillbilly dildo?

Or am I making this too black and white? You being the white, because it is well known you dislike black and I don’t want to offend.

It was on CNN. Including the subsequent line of questioning that sank the Republican “defense” if you can even call it that.

Please do not watch the impeachment hearings as they are a dastardly ploy by the Deep State Dems to smear President Trump except these 20 second clips that - and trust us on this - “totally exonerate” Trump.

So, after the scandal broke, US military aid to Ukraine was suddenly unfrozen - allegedly without any correlation the the former - and Trump did an on the record stilted exchange with his minions in which he stated that “this is not a quid pro quo” which is a completely natural phrase to throw into a conversation.

> I am not selling you these drugs. You have decided to give me a small monetary gift out of the goodness of your heart. I on the other hand decided to simply share with you the drugs for my personal use because I am a nice person, and not because I’m attempting to distribute the drugs in question.

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