[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
It gets even worse, there are people who call themselves fruitarians, they will only eat fruits that fall from plants so as not to harm the plant itself.[/quote]
Trees are people too
So… it’s a website for bums? I don’t think they have internets… isn’t the internet itself something these guys would consider off limits?
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Hitchhiking is okay with these people, but would you honestly pick a guy that looks like this if you saw him on the road?
I’d rather pick up someone carrying a bloody ax. [/quote]
Wow. I just quickly browsed the web site and assumed that was a statue.
Some people will do anything to avoid getting a job.
At least in the old days hobos didn’t try to act morally superior. At least those bums knew their place.
They just eat and use what other people throw away. Some kind of waste recycling, nothing wrong with that.
[quote]stokedporcupine wrote:
i read the whole thing, it was interesting to say the least.
what these people don’t understand is that their lifestyle is only possible because of the economic intuitions that they claim to detest.
in affect, the “freegans” ultimate goal is untenable. they hope that everyone would live a freegan lifestyle. For them, if we all just grew our own food, went dumpster diving, took the train, and stopped going to work the world would be a better place. What they seem to really want to a modern hunter-gatherer society.
the problem of course is that 6+ billion people could not be sustained on the earth in a hunter-gatherer economy. further, it is only through the advanced manufacturing techniques and advanced division of economic labor that the worlds population can be sustained.
the freegans of course might object that billions are starving or living in sub-standard housing as a result of these advanced manufacturing techniques and the current division of economic labor, but this isn’t true. manufacturing techniques and division of labor are mere technologies, things that are morally neutral.
what the freegans really should be protesting is the unregulated free trade of commodities. that is, it is not the manufacturing techniques and division of labor that is to be shunned, but rather the men who control the system and abuse it through manipulating the free market. [/quote]
Good insight! There are places on the planet where most of the people do live the dirt lifestyle these individuals are advocating for and practicing, and I’m pretty certain when the choice component is removed from the equation, the people would much rather live as most of us do.
Yea, so these people want everyone to live like they do, ok fine, once everyone is dumpster diving for dinner who’s going to be throwing away all that food? I mean if everyone in the world, US or even a city is living this way doesn’t that leave no one to make, purchase and throw away perfectly good food? End result…we all starve to death, great plan.
[quote]dday wrote:
Yea, so these people want everyone to live like they do, ok fine, once everyone is dumpster diving for dinner who’s going to be throwing away all that food? I mean if everyone in the world, US or even a city is living this way doesn’t that leave no one to make, purchase and throw away perfectly good food? End result…we all starve to death, great plan.[/quote]
You say that like you believe masses of people will do this. The masses won’t, they want to own things, accomplish their goals and live an existence that they find meaningful.
Living on other peoples garbage isn’t a great lifestyle choice and won’t be adopted by many people.
[quote]905Patrick wrote:
dday wrote:
Yea, so these people want everyone to live like they do, ok fine, once everyone is dumpster diving for dinner who’s going to be throwing away all that food? I mean if everyone in the world, US or even a city is living this way doesn’t that leave no one to make, purchase and throw away perfectly good food? End result…we all starve to death, great plan.
You say that like you believe masses of people will do this. The masses won’t, they want to own things, accomplish their goals and live an existence that they find meaningful.
Living on other peoples garbage isn’t a great lifestyle choice and won’t be adopted by many people.[/quote]
Yea that was my point. No one is ever going to do this, it’s stupid, well no one with a brain.
Yes, Hippies Smell - bad!
I’d rather hang with peaceful, smelly, deluded hippies than bible bangers.
Plus, I bet they get all the good earth-friendly weed.
As long as initiatives like this remain voluntary I don’t see a problem with it. It’s when government decides for us to do these things that there becomes a problem. These people are taking on a life of voluntary poverty – like many other religious sects. No harm no foul.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Hitchhiking is okay with these people, but would you honestly pick a guy that looks like this if you saw him on the road?
I’d rather pick up someone carrying a bloody ax. [/quote]
My sister and I were talking about this the other day. I’d trust someone with an ax more than someone with a tye-dye shirt. I’d just figure he was a logger, and I’d much rather pick up a logger than a hippie.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Hitchhiking is okay with these people, but would you honestly pick a guy that looks like this if you saw him on the road?
I’d rather pick up someone carrying a bloody ax.
My sister and I were talking about this the other day. I’d trust someone with an ax more than someone with a tye-dye shirt. I’d just figure he was a logger, and I’d much rather pick up a logger than a hippie.[/quote]
If he had a case of beer and some weed, along with the axe, I’d pick up the devil himself.
That website could just say “we are a bunch of filthy hobos” and be done with it.
I heard about this on the radio this morning. It might even deserve it’s own thread. It is about a craigslist advertisement.
Lodging for breastmilk.
[quote]We are offering a free room for a woman who is willing to provide breast milk for consumption to the household. We are an otherwise vegan house but have recently read A.O. Wilson’s study of the benefits of human breast milk to all human beings of any age. This is not sexual. Neither appearance nor sexual preference are of any concern to us.[/quote]
It goes on…
Here is a link.
[quote]Christine wrote:
I heard about this on the radio this morning. It might even deserve it’s own thread. It is about a craigslist advertisement.
Lodging for breastmilk.
We are offering a free room for a woman who is willing to provide breast milk for consumption to the household. We are an otherwise vegan house but have recently read A.O. Wilson’s study of the benefits of human breast milk to all human beings of any age. This is not sexual. Neither appearance nor sexual preference are of any concern to us.
It goes on…
Here is a link.
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Just when I thought dumpster diving for dinner was the weirdest thing ever, I stand corrected.
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
They just eat and use what other people throw away. Some kind of waste recycling, nothing wrong with that.[/quote]
I agree. There’s no way in hell I would do it but having a few people do it increases the efficiency of the rest of society. It’s no different than the homeless who deal with the sorting of recyclables in public places so I don’t have to think about it.
They remind me of the ants who clean up a carcass after the predator and the larger scavengers have had their fill.
I wonder if these people are genuinely happy living like that?
Why do they have a website? The get their food out of a dumpster but have a computer and internet access? WTF?
There’s a couple pages in the last issue of Le Nouvel Observateur dedicated to this.
The movement is growing in France as well. There’s this testimonial from a guy who earn the equivalent of $300,000 in Paris and eats exclusively from garbage dumps.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
I wonder if these people are genuinely happy living like that?
Why do they have a website? The get their food out of a dumpster but have a computer and internet access? WTF? [/quote]
They have the computers and web server access, but those things don’t impact the environment because they didn’t pay for them, their parents did.