The HGH Experiment

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
Another common side is carpel tunnel syndrome. I have heard that there are wrist stretches that can be done to minimize/eliminate this problem.

Define ‘common’. I know of 3 people out of over a hundred who got this from GH.

BBB[/quote]

BBB,

I based that statement on my experience of 1 month of Lily Humatrope usage prescribed by my doctor back in March 2007. I experienced the symptoms of carpal tunnel. I was injecting subcutaneous with the pen they provided me. It was a low daily dosage. One inject per day in am.

I have read that this can happen and my doctor agreed that it was a side effect. I also spoke to a local former Mr. Canada who now sells AAS & GH locally and he mentioned that this can be prevented with wrist stretches.

“Common” may well have been an overstatement.

The intention of my post was to offer a preventative practice/remedy should one of the participants develop this complication so as not to be sidetracked.

I am very intrigued by this protocol and feel much the way you do about the feasibility and safety of it. My own brother re-used less than sharp or hygienic needles and even shared them countless times. He did this in less than a clear state of mind and frequently after not sleeping & boozing for days. Believe it or not; he has cleaned up and is no worse for the wear. Now that is a miracle. For someone like Cortes; this is a piece of cake.

No harm intended my respected friend.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Cortes wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
Cortes wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
Cortes wrote:
Yes this is my first time, and yes I am thinking very strongly about doing the IV protocol, at least as much as I can.

lol youre just looking for another way to stick yourself with a needle everyday!

With this protocol, it looks like I get to do it up to FOUR times a day! =D

Lol my name is Cortes, and I have a problem.

what type of AAS cycle are you planning on running Cortes? I am intrigued by this, yet I dont think I could justify the expense of the GH until I am finally out of school.

Heh. I still don’t know that I’m as gung ho about sticking a needle into my vein as I usually am about putting one into my muscle.

Cycle will consist of test p/tren a/mast p probably 750/350/500mg/w. Will be dropping the tren earlier and before the show dropping the test, too and adding in winstrol in the latter half. Will pick the test back up and continue the cycle for another month after the show using test and mast.

I will probably come into the rest of my GH around the end of March or mid-April, and AAS cycle will begin around the 1st of June. I may change this, however, and begin in May. Show is late July. Just a little local podunk show in what is pretty much rural Japan. I just do it because it’s fun. I’m an American so I’m not even allowed to place.

Any ideas, BBB, as to whether I should run the GH concurrently with the AAS? Before? Depends upon how long I plan to run it, I suppose. I would like to be using it after I come off cycle to see how well it helps in aiding recovery. I plan upon having at the very least 400iu, but will probably end up with more than that, knowing me :wink:

I"ve got to be honest with you big C, I really don’t feel that good about you embarking on this deal.

Be very careful my friend, and don’t give a damn if you feel like stopping at any time and just going to IM or subQ.

I’m not all that convinced that this is the way to go tbh.

Cheers though, and I’ll be pulling for you to kick ass…
Your pal,

ToneBone

Tony, you know I like you, but please don’t drop in with this BS and nothing to back it up. Your ‘feelings’ don’t really come into it, sorry.

And why are you"not convinced" thatr this is the way to go? What information can you share with us that counters my proposal.

If it is just an irrational fear of intravenous injects, then get over it. People do is thousands of times per day. Some of these guys are the most ignorant, fucke up, shakey, detoxing junkies known to man, yet they pull it off with relative ease.

The only thing you have said that is right is that I f Cortes makes up his mind not to do it, then he absolutely should take that descision on his own.

Sorry for the harsh words however this is science, not voodoo here and it deserves to be handled objectively IMO.

BBB[/quote]

C’mon man,
What are you so riled up about? Me telling Cortes about a gut feeling I have about the protocol? Did I say “disregard Bushy completely and listen to me?”
I merely stated that I didn’t feel that good about him doing it…So fucking what…I’m sure he’s not going to listen to me over you, so what’s the fucking worry then?

How do my “feelings” not come into an opinion on something a friend is intending on doing? I didn’t know we all simply share factual information here, and no feelings ever come into these things…Yeah let’s have a look around the forum, yep, it’s all fact…according to the experimenter that is…

No I’m not putting up any detailed “proof” of what I said or implied…It’s just an opinion, and excuse me for stepping on the thread and skewing the masses with a conservative or as you might see it, ‘paranoid’ feeling. What’s the harm in telling him what I did? Nothing at all that’s what…

My final sentence was one of a positive sort, and assumed he would indeed go for it as you have so eloquently directed him to do…so take it easy then man…

/Tone interference with said “experiment”.

Have the fuck at it then friend.

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I should add one other detail about the carpal tunnel comment I made. I neglected to state that I am predisposed to this affliction as I get sensitivity after periods of overuse of mouse & keyboard even when not on GH.

BBB, you have backed up the premise of this protocol admirably, both scientifically and passionately (if a little irately). This would be expected of any worthy contributor and is in no way out of line.

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BBB, I think you said AAS should be run for the duration of HGH use. Isn’t 21 weeks a long cycle of AAS?

What would you suggest as a complimentary AAS cycle for this HGH experiment? Would it be better to run two short cycles with a break in the middle?

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Al,

For what it’s worth, I had no intention of “cluttering” the thread with continued negative content towards the protocol…Just wanted to make the post, and it is what it is…

Just wanted you to know.

Tone

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Hey Guys,

I figured I would pop in for a bit and say I am really Jazzed about this whole experiment. I will be reading with great anticipation.

I hope you will document this with pre- and post-cycle pics, measurements, and lift numbers.

I see quite a bit of potential here, and wish you guys the best.

Peace,

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Im down with before and after pictures measures, and some major lift numbers, but I dont care to tell everyone when I urinated, how much, what it tasted like etc…
That being said, I might have ran into a little snafu acquiring the the GH so I wont get too excited just yet = /

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

However, a 21 week cycle should be OK to recover from, BUT ONLY with a stasis taper protocol. You can forget about a SERM PCT IMO in a cycle of this length.

Having said all this, I’m hoping that this ‘new’ GH protocol will effect the desired changes in a much shorter timeframe (especially if MGF is added), meaning less time on AAS and an easier recovery.

Part of me thinks that 1000-2000mg per week of test (plus AI obviously) is ‘all’ that is needed in terms of AAS.

BBB[/quote]

So what are you thinking ester wise then? I only ask because you say

[quote]
I’m hoping that this ‘new’ GH protocol will effect the desired changes in a much shorter timeframe

BBB[/quote]
Would you recommend prop straight through? If we used Test E we prob wouldnt be able to use the shorter time frame, right?..

Test P wks1-? (Possibly all 21 wks) 200-250mg/day?
Any class II compounds?

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Esters:

They are acid molecules attached to the testosterone (for eg) molecule to slow its release from the injection site… as you know it is metabolised within hours with no ester attached(TNE.

There is still a period of time where the drug builds (even TNE) and tapers off… with TNE it just happens to be over a few hours.

When the Propionate ester for example is attached to slow to metabolism of the test it slows it by 4 days or so (not half life-elimination life) but there is STILL its activation life to be considered - which will be slowed SLIGHTLY by the ester attached.

Add the longest ester i know is produced - Undeclynate - and while the elimination life is a matter of 4 weeks or so, its activation life isnt quite as much a dramatic change as the change between elimination lives.

If one was to use a prop ester at 75mg/d providing 525mg of drug a week - then an injection of approx 150-200mg would achieve peak blood levels from day one allowing a 4 week cycle. Of course the activation life is faster so it will be felt in a day or two.

If one was do use a decanoate ester, then frontloading in a similar fashion would allow peak levels from day one allowing a SHORTER cycle of as little as 4 weeks… however with the longer activation life it may take upto a week to get full levels built.

lil titbit for ya.

Brook

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Egnatiosj, and soon2b,

Hey guys, got your pm’s, sorry but have been unable to send pms out, trying to get the problem fixed, and you’ll have one back at ya when it is resolved.

Just letting you know…

BBB: You know I’m ok, lol…
Am thoroughly enjoying and fasicinated by the thread/advice…You know me too well to not realize that, I hope. Fwiw, I saw your point, and understand what you were saying, I was just a bit taken aback at the flying shit leveled over the pond at me there…lol.

Joking, in all seriousness though, with everything going on over there, I totally understand the frustration with what happened…K?

Your bud,
Tone

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Ok, good, so if we’re all finished sucking each other’s dicks maybe we can finally get back to talking about the experiment.

…kidding, kidding, guys! You know I love you two old crusty bastards!

Seriously now, a related question. If I loaded a pin for 4-6 injections for a single day, would it degrade very much if I left it unrefrigerated for a few hours? I share a fridge with my employee and I don’t feel like trying to explain to him what the loaded insulin pins in the door are for :wink:

If it’s a bad idea I could probably get a very small cooler and stash it somewhere.

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Cool BBB, thanks. You always have a good idea ready.

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Egnatiosj, and soon2b,

Hey guys, got your pm’s, sorry but have been unable to send pms out, trying to get the problem fixed, and you’ll have one back at ya when it is resolved.

Just letting you know…

BBB: You know I’m ok, lol…
Am thoroughly enjoying and fasicinated by the thread/advice…You know me too well to not realize that, I hope. Fwiw, I saw your point, and understand what you were saying, I was just a bit taken aback at the flying shit leveled over the pond at me there…lol.

Joking, in all seriousness though, with everything going on over there, I totally understand the frustration with what happened…K?

Your bud,
Tone[/quote]

Cool , thanks ITZ…

Guys I would be real aware of your E levels throughout the cycle, as BBB already mentioned the increased IGF-1 will cause some insulin resistance, and high estrogen levels can further the resistance. SO that being said I think the tren and Mast are great picks to add to the test (as if BBBs recommendation needed my backing).