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from the other week…
What are you guys using for your 700+ yd shots? I was in the market for a Remmy 700, but I will no longer buy Remington until they stop using HS Precision stocks. I need something that isn’t quite like push’s Hammer of Thor, but rather something akin to a Remmy 700 in .308 or 300 win mag.
mike
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
BTW Varganir, is 1595$ or so a decent price for a new SA M14 style rifle. A good local shop has one and I’m getting the itch.
New Springfield Armory in the box?
Let me guess: Walnut stock, carbon steel 22-inch barrel, standard trigger group, standard iron sights, muzzle brake, right?
If so, that’s a good price. I would recommend buying it.
If not (i.e., fiberglass stock, stainless barrel, national match trigger, NM sights, NM flash hider), then that is a fucking excellent price, and your itch should turn to a burning inflammation which propels you out of your chair this instant and into that gun store with cash in hand.
A year from now, whatever you pay for this rifle, its parts, its magazines, and its ammunition will look ridiculously cheap.
I have to ask the guy, but it was a black stock, not walnut. I’m not sure about the NM designation. I’ll have to stop by during the week.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
tom63 wrote:
BTW guys, a local gun shop owner told me that the next tough caliber to get will be 22 lr. He said that the ammo manufactures have been attmepting to crank up the stadard calibers like 9mm, 45 acp, 308, 223 7.62 x 39 and such.
22 is being put on the back burner for now. this is what I was told, there is no way to verify this. I bought 6 bricks this week and might get a few more next week.
Also, the local shop owner told me he had never sold a conversion kit before the current run. He sold plenty the last few weeks. I bought a 22 conversion for the AR and had one for my kimber.
The kimber kit is hit a dime accurate at 10 yards with CCI mini mags. Also, use high speed 22 for these kits, like mini mags and such. The lower speed rounds might not cycle and jam.
Take this with a grain of salt, but I have seen decent ammo in 22 go from 12 bucks or so to 25 or so in two years.
Stock up on this first, 100 bucks will get 2000 rounds and give you a lot of great practice.
I learned to shoot on a .45 Colt with a .22 conversion. Prices must be going up in your neck of the woods, I bought two 500rnd bricks of .22LR for 13$ a piece a few weeks ago. But its good to hear they might kick up production of larger calibers, I haven’t seen anything on the shelves anywhere lately.
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I hope so also. funny thing is, I’ve found 45 acp for 15-17 a box, but 22 is climbing around here. And I got the 22 conversion for my kids, but I must admit it’s a lot of fun. Great practice and you can shoot a lot more rounds.
I saw a show about snipers the other night on TV. It claimed that the longest recorded kill was by a Canadian soldier from 2.5km away, using one of these…
Anybody ever tried shooting this? Can a licensed civilian even purchase one, or is it military issue only?
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
I saw a show about snipers the other night on TV. It claimed that the longest recorded kill was by a Canadian soldier from 2.5km away, using one of these…
Anybody ever tried shooting this? Can a licensed civilian even purchase one, or is it military issue only?[/quote]
hehehe, licensed.
mike
EDIT: Because I’m so generous I’ll make you a deal: You buy one and send it to my house. I will hold onto it and shoot it until you can become an Idaho resident then I’ll give it to you.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
I saw a show about snipers the other night on TV. It claimed that the longest recorded kill was by a Canadian soldier from 2.5km away, using one of these…
Anybody ever tried shooting this? Can a licensed civilian even purchase one, or is it military issue only?[/quote]
You can yet in most of the USA. I have bushmaster 50 caliber. It will reach that far, but I can’t, haha!
Im kind of curious as to what kind of pressures that tac-50 takes to hit a 1.5 mile kill.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
What are you guys using for your 700+ yd shots? I was in the market for a Remmy 700, but I will no longer buy Remington until they stop using HS Precision stocks. I need something that isn’t quite like push’s Hammer of Thor, but rather something akin to a Remmy 700 in .308 or 300 win mag.
mike
For consideration: 6.5-300 Weatherby, the baby brother to my Hammer! (I had this built for and gave it to my wife for a present! Am I smooth or what?)
Winchester Mod. 70 bedded action, custom 28" barrel mounted right now by a Leupold 4x. Obviously, it deserves another scope to make it a worthy 1000 yard rifle.
My goal is to drive a 140 gr. bullet at 3500+ fps.
Mike, if you like the Weatherby cases like I do, take a look at the 300-378 Weatherby. It is probably a little more popular than my 338 version. The ballistic coefficient of the 220 gr. bullet (.629) in .30 cal is fabulous and can give the .30 an edge over the .338. However, the Sierra Match King 300 gr. in .338 is .768 and I may try some of those some day.
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You might want to read this article: http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/longrange_shooting/shooting_hunting.htm
But to answer your question in terms of factory cartridges and if you didn’t want to be relegated to reloading I would look hard at the .300 Weatherby. It can reach out and fatally poke anything in North America and is flat shooting enough for long range antelope and western deer hunting.
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I’m limited in distance here , but did buy a 300 Weatherby mag about 20 years ago. It’s a great shooter and will hit hard for sure.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
But to answer your question in terms of factory cartridges and if you didn’t want to be relegated to reloading I would look hard at the .300 Weatherby. It can reach out and fatally poke anything in North America and is flat shooting enough for long range antelope and western deer hunting.
I’m limited in distance here , but did buy a 300 Weatherby mag about 20 years ago. It’s a great shooter and will hit hard for sure.
I think ol’ Roy would have felt right at home on a muscle- building website.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_9_47/ai_77824230/
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Yep, I thought it was hilarious when I compared a 300 cartridge with a 308, 30 06, and a 300 win mag, haha! I just bought the rifle because it was a new remington and I was looking to get a different caliber than 308.
I hit a doe at 225 yards in the early 90s. I was shooting for the neck and dropped the shot a few inches, hitting the deer through the entire body. When we opened it up there were no internal organs, just a red jelly like stuff dropping it. It blenderized all the organs.
This was with a 165 gr bullet going app 3350 or so.
I went to the rifle range after some paperwork at the office. It was getting late, so I just put out the target at 100 yards and was shooting a Sako 22 lr bolt action at a shoot n see target.
I was shooting consistent 3" groups, with one being 2". this might not seem so great, but this is with your standard iron sights, notch and post. And with daylight running out.These Sakos shoot great.
I was using CCI mini mags, btw.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Did you notice in that article about Roy Weatherby where he is said to have believed you could kill an animal without the bullet ever striking it? If you could get a bullet moving at ~10,000 fps NEAR an animal that the shock wave alone would kill it?
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i’ve heard rumors of .50bmg rounds missing their target and still ripping an ear off of the target.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Did you notice in that article about Roy Weatherby where he is said to have believed you could kill an animal without the bullet ever striking it? If you could get a bullet moving at ~10,000 fps NEAR an animal that the shock wave alone would kill it?
i’ve heard rumors of .50bmg rounds missing their target and still ripping an ear off of the target.[/quote]
That’s what they kept telling us in anti-armor platoon about the M2. I’ll believe it when I see it.
mike
i don’t know if it has been done yet, but if i had any sort of arm development…this is where i would post them
GUNS BABY
[quote]pushharder wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I hit a doe at 225 yards in the early 90s. I was shooting for the neck and dropped the shot a few inches, hitting the deer through the entire body. When we opened it up there were no internal organs, just a red jelly like stuff dropping it. It blenderized all the organs.
This was with a 165 gr bullet going app 3350 or so.
Roy would’ve been proud! That’s what velocity will do fer ya.
Plus you know that bullet came apart and essentially turned into a shotgun load once it entered the body - one that still had around 2,900 ft/lbs of energy even at that distance. So that was a ton and a half of force striking that deer’s innards. Pretty humane way to die.
That’s one of the reasons I use the Barnes X bullet in my big rifle. I want the bullet to stay together, expand a little and punch a hole all the way through an elk even if it strikes a lot of bone in the process.
I’ve autopsied every single game animal I’ve ever shot with it and never once found a bullet or even a fragment. They have always exited the body. And the exit wound invariably looks the same, usually about the size of a golf ball.
I shot a bull elk at 325 yards once with my .338-378W. Bullet left the barrel with over 5500 ft/lbs, so at 325 yards it hit the bull in toughest/thickest part of the near shoulder with ~3800 ft/lbs of energy, almost two tons of force concentrated in an object 1/3 of an inch in diameter and exited the off shoulder in the thickest/toughest part a little slower but now with a diameter of about 1 1/2 inches. Hammer of Thor I tell ye. Hammer of Thor! He went down like he’d been hit by a train.
So did the cow elk I shot this past year about 200 yards. It’s great! Rarely have to track wounded game very far. Never have to track 'em when I hit a shoulder or spine.
Did you notice in that article about Roy Weatherby where he is said to have believed you could kill an animal without the bullet ever striking it? If you could get a bullet moving at ~10,000 fps NEAR an animal that the shock wave alone would kill it?
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I read that Push. I don’t know if it would be true, but that is pretty quick of course. We’ve been using 308s here on whitetail that go from 100 to 200 pounds. I’ve been using black hills ammo with a 165 gr Barnes x bullet. Tommy was using 165 gr light mags by Hornady. He hit a buck in the lungs and it just staggered downhill and fell over.
Since I started hunting again in 06 I got three deer and shot them all in the spine, so the performance was fine. Elk are a whole lot tougher from what I’ve been told and hitting them hard the first time seems to be a great idea.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve got to tell my coyote story. Too late tonight but I thought if I posted this it would remind me later.[/quote]
Sounds great. I’m not to familiar with the load you’re using, is it more or less powerful than the 338 Lapua?