The Great Experiment

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Speaking of the death of intellectualism, watch old Firing Line videos on Youtube. How the fuck the face of conservatism went from an erudite person like Buckley to fucking dingbats with little grip on logical reasoning like Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin is beyond me. But it’s happened. And who is the great liberal intellectual these days? Not Chomsky, no. Who is it? Oprah? Barack Obama? Hillary Clinton?

It’s sad.[/quote]

Sowell is sad panda…

Cooke is a sharp cookie too. Just off the top of my head. [/quote]

I’m getting a whiff of something nasty from Sowell. Ohh, that smell. Can’t you smell that smell? The smell of racism surrounds him.[/quote]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Speaking of the death of intellectualism, watch old Firing Line videos on Youtube. How the fuck the face of conservatism went from an erudite person like Buckley to fucking dingbats with little grip on logical reasoning like Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin is beyond me. But it’s happened. And who is the great liberal intellectual these days? Not Chomsky, no. Who is it? Oprah? Barack Obama? Hillary Clinton?

It’s sad.[/quote]

Sowell is sad panda…

Cooke is a sharp cookie too. Just off the top of my head. [/quote]

I’m getting a whiff of something nasty from Sowell. Ohh, that smell. Can’t you smell that smell? The smell of racism surrounds him.[/quote]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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I’m confused… Are you saying Sowell is racist, or that conservatives don’t celebrate him because they are racist?

Or something completely different?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
For Delbert and his post:

Got anything a little…funkier? Some James Brown, perhaps?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
For Delbert and his post:

I was thinking of something more along these lines…

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I suppose it’s stupid to have the doom-and-gloom outlook on the one hand and then think things used to be better on the other. If you read a lot of primary source materials from about 1790-1820, you’ll see that this same attitude was somewhat prevalent then, that the ideals of the Founding Fathers were being cast aside in favor of the advancement of private interests, rather than public interests. Madison never felt that “interested” men should hold public office, only gentlemen in the traditional sense.[/quote]

Lol, also true. I’m not the first, by a long shot to call the end of the Republic near.

Similar to Obama and folks like Warren and Sanders sounding an awful lot like FDR and speeches in his time…

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And the Republic ended after FDR? :slight_smile:
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Of course not, TB. You have to back to 1861 to find its end.

You guys all make great arguments and I kind of feel the same way but the fact is, most of us have it better than our parents had it (my Dad grew up in housing projects) and most of our kids will have it better than we did.

Yes all good things come to an end and maybe the quality of life for the future generations is about to do an about face. We’ll see. I think it’s going to keep getting better for a few more generations.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
the pic of my family in my hub. [/quote]

Puff, you’re ripped!! You’ve clearly put in a ton of work since your scapula questions thread from a few years ago.

[quote]on edge wrote:
You guys all make great arguments and I kind of feel the same way but the fact is, most of us have it better than our parents had it (my Dad grew up in housing projects) and most of our kids will have it better than we did.

Yes all good things come to an end and maybe the quality of life for the future generations is about to do an about face. We’ll see. I think it’s going to keep getting better for a few more generations.[/quote]

Well, its not like its Stalingrad circa 1942, that’s for sure.

[quote]on edge wrote:
You guys all make great arguments and I kind of feel the same way but the fact is, most of us have it better than our parents had it (my Dad grew up in housing projects) and most of our kids will have it better than we did.

Yes all good things come to an end and maybe the quality of life for the future generations is about to do an about face. We’ll see. I think it’s going to keep getting better for a few more generations.[/quote]

What do you mean by “better”? I would argue to the contrary. The per capita median income in this country has steadily decline since about 2007. We make about the same now as we did in 1995. The nation’s GDP also dropped significantly since 2007, and while it has gone back up in the last two or three years, the median income has not.

Since standard of living and having it “better” are typically tied to income, we clearly do not have it better, nor will the current generation of young Americans when they reach adulthood.

The problem is one of spiritual bankruptcy, quite frankly. And I don’t mean in the sense that religious participation is down across the board. I just mean in a more general sense.

The day that standard of living isn’t tied directly to your wages vs. the GDP is the day that things begin to improve. Life isn’t only about money and accumulating shit (or the power to accumulate it) until we die. It’s not about doing so in order to leave a legacy for our children and grandchildren, either. If that’s all life is about, we are all doomed to suffer immensely, given that our desires will always be infinite and our ability to meet them is finite. Hence, spiritual bankruptcy.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
You guys all make great arguments and I kind of feel the same way but the fact is, most of us have it better than our parents had it (my Dad grew up in housing projects) and most of our kids will have it better than we did.

Yes all good things come to an end and maybe the quality of life for the future generations is about to do an about face. We’ll see. I think it’s going to keep getting better for a few more generations.[/quote]

Well, its not like its Stalingrad circa 1942, that’s for sure. [/quote]

Do we wait until it’s Stalingrad circa 1941 before we begin to address these issues?

I agree that a little perspective is always in order when it comes to these discussions.

But let’s put another thing into perspective. Only in the sort of situation in which we are afforded the ability to employ perspective can we come to sagacious conclusions. At some point, the ability to sit and think about these things is cast aside in favor of tangible, immediate action. That’s called a revolution.

When that happens, there is no room for the perspective that we are now afforded. I’d like to maintain that luxury for as long as possible. Inaction until massive changes are at our doorstep will inevitably lead to ugly changes. I’m not going to go so far as to draw comparisons between this proposed scenario and things like the Committee of Public Safety or the Republic of Virtue, but it’s safe to say that those sorts of possibilities are still just that: possibilities.

Before it becomes Stalingrad circa 1942, it’s more likely to first become Paris circa 1797 or Italy circa 1498.

Very interesting take on things, especially for those who are perpetually frustrated by their social media interactions.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
You guys all make great arguments and I kind of feel the same way but the fact is, most of us have it better than our parents had it (my Dad grew up in housing projects) and most of our kids will have it better than we did.

Yes all good things come to an end and maybe the quality of life for the future generations is about to do an about face. We’ll see. I think it’s going to keep getting better for a few more generations.[/quote]

Well, its not like its Stalingrad circa 1942, that’s for sure. [/quote]

Do we wait until it’s Stalingrad circa 1941 before we begin to address these issues?

I agree that a little perspective is always in order when it comes to these discussions.

But let’s put another thing into perspective. Only in the sort of situation in which we are afforded the ability to employ perspective can we come to sagacious conclusions. At some point, the ability to sit and think about these things is cast aside in favor of tangible, immediate action. That’s called a revolution.

When that happens, there is no room for the perspective that we are now afforded. I’d like to maintain that luxury for as long as possible. Inaction until massive changes are at our doorstep will inevitably lead to ugly changes. I’m not going to go so far as to draw comparisons between this proposed scenario and things like the Committee of Public Safety or the Republic of Virtue, but it’s safe to say that those sorts of possibilities are still just that: possibilities.

Before it becomes Stalingrad circa 1942, it’s more likely to first become Paris circa 1797 or Italy circa 1498.[/quote]

Its hard for me to get pissed off right now or think all is lost. I look at my boy, who is 7, and he is so happy and doing so well that its hard for me to get depressed. He is curious. He has good friends. He loves reading, and writing, and science, and math. He’s skeptical of big claims and (in kids terms) calls bullshit on my friends when they make stupid claims that they think a kid will fall for. He is thoughtful and thinks of others and asked me unsolicited the other day if he could keep a “donate jar” in addition to his “savings jar” so he could help people who need it more on occasions. As much bullshit as there is right now on social media, I think its easy to look around and think all is lost. But then I think, my boy can’t be all that unique, and I suspect there are lots of good kids out there getting ready to become responsible, productive, critically thinking citizens, even if it seems like the world is going to shit because of the way the internet seems to zero in on and magnify stupidity and group think.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Very interesting take on things, especially for those who are perpetually frustrated by their social media interactions.[/quote]

This guy was on the daily show. The solution I have to this is don’t get on twitter. I don’t, never have, and probably never will. I don’t post on Facebook either. Fuck that shit.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Very interesting take on things, especially for those who are perpetually frustrated by their social media interactions.[/quote]

This guy was on the daily show. The solution I have to this is don’t get on twitter. I don’t, never have, and probably never will. I don’t post on Facebook either. Fuck that shit. [/quote]

This site is as close to social media as I get.

Regarding your previous post: it seems like your boy is well on his way to achieving success in life. I hope mine is as well.

But what happens when others of his age are not capable of achieving the same things? We’ve basically been taught since birth that, as Americans, it’s practically our right to achieve these things. So when your boy has it all, and someone else does not, there will always be a politician there to say, “vote for me and I can make all your dreams come true”.

All is lost as long as we have bright people like your kid co-existing with others who are not so bright, all at the same time that the failed idea that BOTH of them should have access to all the things your boy will EARN in his lifetime is perpetuated amongst society. And as your boy gets older, he will increasingly (more than likely anyways, given the current mindset of the nation) accumulate more things under the assumption that this is a better standard of living.

And every time he acquires something, that’s something that someone else doesn’t acquire. And they’ll want that shit whether they earned or not. Everything from legislation aimed at social reform to the Federal Reserve’s printing of money is part of placating this infinite demand for finite things.

Add the finite nature of natural resources to the fact that the ability to access and use said resources directly correlates with economic success, and you have the perfect storm on your hands.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
4) Argued with an astonishing amount (to me) of intelligent people whom I have nothing but respect for that natural rights don’t exist, and rights are granted by government.
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(Assuming this refers to me)

I never claimed rights are granted by government!

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Very interesting take on things, especially for those who are perpetually frustrated by their social media interactions.[/quote]

Good article.

Liked it so much I shared it on Facebook.

Beans-

I hear you- it is frustrating to watch people do and say stupid things. I struggle as a I watch politicians (who used to be some of the best and brightest- and are now some of the most vapid and disgusting people) share their silly opinions.

However- why does it bug you so much? You seem to have some thick skin- why are you affected now?

Hug your wife and kids, play hooky from work, lift some weights, go for a walk/bike ride and look at how incredible this life is.

Hang in there.

jnd

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Speaking of the death of intellectualism, watch old Firing Line videos on Youtube. How the fuck the face of conservatism went from an erudite person like Buckley to fucking dingbats with little grip on logical reasoning like Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin is beyond me. But it’s happened. And who is the great liberal intellectual these days? Not Chomsky, no. Who is it? Oprah? Barack Obama? Hillary Clinton?

It’s sad.[/quote]

Sowell is sad panda…

Cooke is a sharp cookie too. Just off the top of my head. [/quote]

I’m getting a whiff of something nasty from Sowell. Ohh, that smell. Can’t you smell that smell? The smell of racism surrounds him.[/quote]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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I’m confused… Are you saying Sowell is racist, or that conservatives don’t celebrate him because they are racist?

Or something completely different?[/quote]

Inside joke from another thread, where we were discussing the Atlantic slave trade. Thunderbolt took issue with some comments Nick made, stating that he detected a nasty whiff of something from his posts. When Nick asked to what Thunder was referring, I responded with the doctored Lynyrd Skynyrd refrain that Nick then quoted in this thread, as an homage, I like to think, to that previous conversation.

So I post was a tip of the hat to that homage. Nothing really to do with Sowell.