The "Free Market" Failure of the American Healthcare System

No.

When the profit motive is removed , there’s no incentive to innovate or maintain quality of service.

When the government gets involved everything gets worse. Even the concept of a corporation is a government concoction. Before corporations, individuals were personally liable

Politicians are in the business of getting votes and socialized medicine is a vote getter.

I’m loath to get involved in @Zeppelin795 vs @therajraj . But This is wrong.

Corporations existed before the Dutch and English East India companies. Those two were the first with unlimited lifespans and easily sold shares that didn’t require the approval of the board.

https://www.theglobalist.com/the-worlds-first-corporations/

Carry on.

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What other countries pay more than the U.S.?

No when things are privatized things get worse. Prices move up and service gets worse. The health insurance industry actually makes more money by denying people. Since most of the costs are burdened by people who need it the most. A figure of 10% costs more than the others. So if they could just get rid of those people they could make more money. More people die but the insurance industry makes more money. That’s what “the profit motive” does. Something to really be proud of.

Single-payer is NOT medicine socialized.

Politicians pay attention to their donators. And since corporations donate the most money it is they whom the politicians pay attention to and do their bidding.

However there are times when the public challenges them and wins. Think medicinal marijuana. Hopefully stem cell therapy and other far less toxic treatments follow.

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Not to mention the destruction Sanders would’ve done to Trump. But the Democratic machine couldn’t stand the Sanders message. They were afraid of losing power to the public and that can not be tolerated. Eventually it will thankfully end for the corporate Dems. As they are nothing more than Republican-lite. They offer no palpable difference.

If the government were small, and politicians had minimal power as a result, corporations wouldn’t be able to rig the market through donations.

Roll back the government, let companies compete and the cost of healthcare will drop. In the same way laptops and technology in general gets cheaper over time from competition, so does healthcare.

So, it’s also the borrower’s fault.

Wall Street apparently took advantage of weak government (lol).


Credit Agencies also at fault.

But, hey, I tell you what, you actually produced a link worth reading so bravo…

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This is called conjecture. Conjecture I literally couldn’t care less about.

Sorry about this question @Zeppelin795 …because I would imagine that after several pages and hundreds of post on this Topic you have most likely addressed it…but it is a question that perplexes me…

Why do you think Law Makers on BOTH sides fail to address the “real” problem with Healthcare…cost that are spirally out of control? (Just one example is that close to 25% of Healthcare cost aren’t even about delivering care…it’s ADMINISTRATIVE cost)…then there is the American demand for 1) the latest and greatest Technology and “treatments” (think of the obscene cost of new “anti-cancer” drugs that do very little) and 2) our demand that “anything and everything” be done.

(P.S. you can know slap your head in “I’ve ADDRESSED this already!” frustration!)

What a bunch of dick heads

Why would we have to wait for that? When single-payer has already proven it could be run for much less with better overall outcomes. Even Trump has admitted this on several occasions.

If the government was smaller, regulation would become less and the corporations will do anything to boost their profits above all else.

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Yes, borrowers were guilty but they couldn’t have done what they did if the banking institutions didn’t let them. If this wasn’t part of the “business plans” of the banking institutions.

So Wall Street took advantage of the situation. No way, I don’t believe these champions of the free market would do such a thing.

Yes, credit agencies were involved with the scam. But it was obviously organized at the top.

And a few people went to jail. Compared to the much smaller S&L crisis what are the percentages? Since thousands went to jail over that much smaller scam.

And Sanders would have easily beaten Trump as shown by the polls.

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Law makers of both parties are controlled by corporations. It is their bidding they do. Why do you think the U.S. is the only major industrialized country without a form of universal healthcare? Insurance and Big Pharma make more in profits in this system than they would in Universal coverage and that is what matters. Not the health of the public.

If there are cancer treatments that work but can’t be monetized like drugs, they will be marginalized. And anyone who recommends them will most likely be labeled a quack and be made fun of. All for the pursuit of profits. It is a terrible system we have in the U.S.

When Nixon was President he declared a war on cancer. It has been almost 50 years and almost a trillion dollars spent. What do we have to show for it? Different versions of chemotherapy. You have to be fucking kidding me! Cancer research is nothing more than a business seeking to maximize profits above all else. Truly sad.

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Makes me wonder what their angle is?

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"With the Republican campaign to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act now set to enter its final, frenzied push, the Indianapolis Star reports that the Indiana GOP attempted a stunt that was supposed to provide Republicans with more ammunition against the law. But the stunt went awry:

The Indiana Republican Party posed a question to Facebook on Monday: “What’s your Obamacare horror story? Let us know.”

The responses were unexpected.

“My sister finally has access to affordable quality care and treatment for her diabetes.”

“My father’s small business was able to insure its employees for the first time ever. #thanksObama

“Love Obamacare!”

“The only horror in the story is that Republicans might take it away.”…

By 8:30 a.m. Tuesday, the Indiana GOP’s post collected more than 1,500 comments, the vast majority in support of Obamacare.

As David Nather points out, this reveals that the energy in this battle right now is on the side of those who want to save the Affordable Care Act. But, while the rate of pro-ACA postings should obviously not be taken as a scientific indicator of public opinion, this episode also neatly captures another larger truth about why it is proving so hard for Republicans to repeal the law: It has helped untold numbers of people, and the GOP bill would largely reverse that."

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Oooops…!

And then people like you would’ve cried about how unfair it is to the little poor guy just trying to live the American Dream.

You’re not going to see me defend Wall Street. They serve a function, but aren’t above the law.

At the top of what?

Apples to oranges.

I don’t give a shit.

Every poll had Clinton beating Trump.

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