[quote]pushharder wrote:
The idea that illegals who are now crossing the Rio Grande and unhindered open sections of NM, AZ and CA desert are now going to cross via tunnels in the same numbers is ludicrous. It would eliminate a hyooge portion of illegals. Hyooge. Throw in a lack of work and welfare in the US and the problem could be dried up drastically.
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agree, but i believe a lot illegal immigration is nothing more than drug smuggling, but that’s a whole other can of worms.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
What’s everyone’s opinion on the ‘Trump deportation’ debate?
I agree with Kasich who said “Come on, folks. We all know you can’t pick them up and ship them back across the border. It’s a silly argument. It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense”. Trump responded by saying Dwight Eisenhower moved 1.5 million out, “We have no choice”. Bush chimed in saying Clinton is doing high-fives hearing this.
I do not think it is reasonable to claim you can deport 11 million people and have that be a positive thing. Who agrees with Trump? Can you explain how it would be possible?[/quote]
Make it mandatory for employers to check legal status of all employees and keep the record of citizenship on file – right now the law is a joke and basically punishes employers for checking legality.
Make it a federal crime to knowingly employ an illegal and whoever checks the paperwork (or was supposed to) goes to prison if they fail to do their job.
There will be massive self-deportation.[/quote]
I could be wrong on this but I already think it is a crime to employ an illegal alien. But, Obama has squashed any desire for the criminal justice system to do their jobs.
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It is, kind of. But its not enforced, at all.
It’s also a crime/discrimination that WILL be enforced to question papers given you, even when you can tell facially that they are forged (like when I had 11 drilling hands in the system with variations of the same name, different DOBs, and the same SSN.
It’s bizarro world. Being Native American, I’ve been a horses ass about it and can get away with it because I have brown skin. Nonetheless, all I managed to do was get people transferred away to be someone else’s problem.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
I don’t think the wall will do anything to prevent illegal immigration…
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Common sense says it has to. And other borders, including a section of ours near Yuma, AZ with walls, PROVES it does something to prevent illegal immigration.
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What’s the ground below the wall look like? The tunnels being built are respectable engineering achievements designed to smuggle drugs. The wall will help, but it’s not the answer. [/quote]
Don’t let perfection be the enemy of “good enough.”
It’s one thing to smuggle in packages of cocaine. It’s another to smuggle in the thousands of people I’ve seen marching in line across the ranch.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
It’s another to smuggle in the thousands of people I’ve seen marching in line across the ranch.[/quote]
That’s an incomprehensible image for me. How that happens, and how it never makes the news is infuriating.
I’m not against the wall by any means, but im thousands of miles away so my knowledge is limited as to the day-day problems.
If i was a Native America, i would be pretty fed up with the 200+ years of illegal immigration.
If 11 dudes have the same SSN, does that mean that 10 people who won’t get benefits are paying into the system?
We may want more illegals.
-Agreed about the visual of 1000’s of people marching over the border. Imagine the HUGE money. Somebody must be bribing somebody.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
What’s everyone’s opinion on the ‘Trump deportation’ debate?
I agree with Kasich who said “Come on, folks. We all know you can’t pick them up and ship them back across the border. It’s a silly argument. It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense”. Trump responded by saying Dwight Eisenhower moved 1.5 million out, “We have no choice”. Bush chimed in saying Clinton is doing high-fives hearing this.
I do not think it is reasonable to claim you can deport 11 million people and have that be a positive thing. Who agrees with Trump? Can you explain how it would be possible?[/quote]
Make it mandatory for employers to check legal status of all employees and keep the record of citizenship on file – right now the law is a joke and basically punishes employers for checking legality.
Make it a federal crime to knowingly employ an illegal and whoever checks the paperwork (or was supposed to) goes to prison if they fail to do their job.
There will be massive self-deportation.[/quote]
I agree. Simultaneously, welfare benefits must only be provided after legality has been established.
If no work and no welfare is the result they won’t need immigration officers rounding them up. If I’m wrong what am I missing?
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Is that what Trump is proposing when he says he will deport all illegals? Honest question, because I read it differently. Aren’t most/all the candidates for E-verify systems to check legal status for employment?[/quote]
I know he implied physical, forced deportations – kinda like most if not practically all countries do – but what Ruff and I said sure would seem to do the trick. What do you think? [/quote]
When Truman and Eisenhower did this, something like 3.5 million illegals self-deported simply because the law was enforced.
There was basically no immigration until 1965.
[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
-Agreed about the visual of 1000’s of people marching over the border. Imagine the HUGE money. Somebody must be bribing somebody.[/quote]
Yes, the National Chamber of Commerce (or whatever it is called) owns politicians, Republican and Democrat, and pays them lots of money to make the government look the other way.
In return, wages are artificially kept down for actual citizens.
If I was a black guy, with 20% unemployment in my community, I’d be pretty pissed off.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
something like 3.5 million illegals self-deported simply because the law was enforced.
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0% chance this happens. These people will become indignant and make the civil unrest in ferguson seem tame.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
something like 3.5 million illegals self-deported simply because the law was enforced.
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0% chance this happens. These people will become indignant and make the civil unrest in ferguson seem tame. [/quote]
Ship them to Germany?
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
something like 3.5 million illegals self-deported simply because the law was enforced.
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0% chance this happens. These people will become indignant and make the civil unrest in ferguson seem tame. [/quote]
I disagree. I think most are here for work and send the money home. When the money dries up, they leave.
The only two people on stage that actually answer questions are Cruz and Paul. The rest find a way to make their scripted statement.
Kasich needs to go away. I don’t care how many times he tells me his father was a mailman, I still don’t care.
The more I see of Rubio, the clearer it is that he is not the best candidate. Gang of eight will haunt him (it should) and he seems to have no problem with corporate welfare for his friends.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
The only two people on stage that actually answer questions are Cruz and Paul. The rest find a way to make their scripted statement.
Kasich needs to go away. I don’t care how many times he tells me his father was a mailman, I still don’t care.
The more I see of Rubio, the clearer it is that he is not the best candidate. Gang of eight will haunt him (it should) and he seems to have no problem with corporate welfare for his friends. [/quote]
I’m tending the same direction. I’d take Rubio if that’s what we were left with but I’ve liked Cruz for years and have seen little that would separate him and me. I watched his post debate interview and his primary election strategy seemed sound. I’m not as willing to dismiss his chances as I used to be.
He is without doubt the sharpest knife in the drawer.[/quote]
Cruz does an excellent job of promoting and explaining what conservatism is and how to implement it.
Watching him make Kasich squirm was just wonderful.
I would generally expect more smoke in mirrors as they try to hide the fact that they are essentially pushing agendas that benefit corporations at the expense of the public. More rationalizing the intellectualization of greed.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
The only two people on stage that actually answer questions are Cruz and Paul. The rest find a way to make their scripted statement.
Kasich needs to go away. I don’t care how many times he tells me his father was a mailman, I still don’t care.
The more I see of Rubio, the clearer it is that he is not the best candidate. Gang of eight will haunt him (it should) and he seems to have no problem with corporate welfare for his friends. [/quote]
I’m tending the same direction. I’d take Rubio if that’s what we were left with but I’ve liked Cruz for years and have seen little that would separate him and me. I watched his post debate interview and his primary election strategy seemed sound. I’m not as willing to dismiss his chances as I used to be.
He is without doubt the sharpest knife in the drawer.[/quote]
I agree with every word. The only problem is that he looks like a young Grandpa Munster. No really, google a photo of the actor who played Grandpa in the Munster’s way back in the day, and you will agree.
As we both know looks play a huge part of who gets elected at that level in the media age. Rubio on the other hand looks the part and will actually attract more female voters away from Hillary.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
something like 3.5 million illegals self-deported simply because the law was enforced.
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0% chance this happens. These people will become indignant and make the civil unrest in ferguson seem tame. [/quote]
I disagree. I think most are here for work and send the money home. When the money dries up, they leave.[/quote]
Isn’t this the free market at work? I haven’t thought much on this side of the issue, but it’s worth some considering. Isn’t the most free market one where employers are allowed to bid for the most desperate of workers to accept the lowest possible wage?
So why not get rid of the “illegal” immigrant status and let them come and work? Any interference is a less free market. And I’m told interference is a bad thing.
Just a quick thought…
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
The only two people on stage that actually answer questions are Cruz and Paul. The rest find a way to make their scripted statement.
Kasich needs to go away. I don’t care how many times he tells me his father was a mailman, I still don’t care.
The more I see of Rubio, the clearer it is that he is not the best candidate. Gang of eight will haunt him (it should) and he seems to have no problem with corporate welfare for his friends. [/quote]
I’m tending the same direction. I’d take Rubio if that’s what we were left with but I’ve liked Cruz for years and have seen little that would separate him and me. I watched his post debate interview and his primary election strategy seemed sound. I’m not as willing to dismiss his chances as I used to be.
He is without doubt the sharpest knife in the drawer.[/quote]
Cruz does an excellent job of promoting and explaining what conservatism is and how to implement it.
Watching him make Kasich squirm was just wonderful.
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Very true.
I think Kacich is the most liberal republican running for President. I am still for putting him on the ticket in order to win Ohio (must have for republicans). He will also attract more moderate republicans which will be needed if a more conservative candidate captures the parties nomination.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
something like 3.5 million illegals self-deported simply because the law was enforced.
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0% chance this happens. These people will become indignant and make the civil unrest in ferguson seem tame. [/quote]
I disagree. I think most are here for work and send the money home. When the money dries up, they leave.[/quote]
Isn’t this the free market at work? I haven’t thought much on this side of the issue, but it’s worth some considering. Isn’t the most free market one where employers the choice to bid for the most desperate of workers to accept the lowest possible wage?
So why not get rid of the “illegal” immigrant status and let them come and work? Any interference is a less free market. And I’m told interference is a bad thing.
Just a quick thought…[/quote]
What you will see are Chinese workers who will work for $1/hr and undercut the Mexicans who work for $5/hr. Should we allow this, it will lead to a race to the bottom and probably see Mexicans building the border wall themselves.
The demand for cheap labor has and will always exist, it doesn’t mean we accommodate them. You now see tradesmen who spent years in an apprenticeship or as journeymen being undercut by people who can evade the Border Patrol.
Remove the cheap labor and wages automatically go up, the mantra we keep hearing from the Democratic Party, but they are not willing to part with a future voter base who plays right into big government programs. Both parties have fucked the whole system because Republicans love the profit.
This is also not limited to people picking produce, in the tech world we are seeing high paying tech jobs being outsourced to low wage workers from India and Pakistan. A guy with a H1-B visa will take a lower salary and not bounce around from job to job because the visa is contingent on him maintaining employment.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
something like 3.5 million illegals self-deported simply because the law was enforced.
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0% chance this happens. These people will become indignant and make the civil unrest in ferguson seem tame. [/quote]
I disagree. I think most are here for work and send the money home. When the money dries up, they leave.[/quote]
Isn’t this the free market at work? I haven’t thought much on this side of the issue, but it’s worth some considering. Isn’t the most free market one where employers the choice to bid for the most desperate of workers to accept the lowest possible wage?
So why not get rid of the “illegal” immigrant status and let them come and work? Any interference is a less free market. And I’m told interference is a bad thing.
Just a quick thought…[/quote]
It was too quick.[/quote]
Like, whatever, man. Ok? Like, just, whatever.